The elusive Opensource E-Commerce Holy Grail: Multi-Site, Multi-Store
May 7, 2007 (380 Responses)
I GOT INTO OPENSOURCE over two years ago, and started http://www.avalon5.com as a result. Since then I’ve been keeping my eye on developments in this space, and in particular the Opensource CMS/Portal and E-Commerce side of things. The reason for my interest is that I’ve always thought it would make perfect sense to take a good solid and production quality Opensource e-commerce solution and marry it with a decent Blog/Portal/CMS solution; one with the ability to support multiple sites.
Two years ago I looked at the contenders and evaluated their capabilities, and nothing really hit the mark. For the last two weeks I’ve been checking the progress of various products and solutions (hence the lack of reasonable activity here at the site) and unfortunately my conclusion (unless someone can correct me) is that things have not really progressed that much in the last two years either.
There are some commercial products out there which claim to be able to do what I need – but I’m keen to do this with an Opensource solution rather than a full blown (and expensive) product. Specifically I want to have a single install/codebase which enables me to create sites on the fly (probably as subdomains) for clients, each subsite presenting it’s own front end (templates, shopping cart, taxes, products etc.) to consumers and backend (admin GUI, catalog, configuration items etc.) to vendors. I see the role of a central site as an aggregator (acting as a shopping mall if you will for each subsite), but it’s important to me (and the clients) that they are also accessible as individual shops in their own right. The idea of the single codebase/install is that it cuts down dramitically on support effort, and therefore costs. It also means I could get a dedicated server for all subdomains and just do the whole hosting thing simply, instead of having to setup seperate hosting contracts for each client.
Unfortunatly this concept seems to remain elusve to me, as distant as the Holy Grail if you will. It makes perfect sense to me that such a product/solution should exist; indeed many of the Opensource communities seem to be actively working on such ideas and directions, but no one has yet managed to get it working as far as I can see. Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. Honestly – I’d love to be proved wrong on this one. If my analysis or conclusions are off then let me know, and certainly if you know of any Opensource solution out there that can do what I’m trying to – then get in touch and put me straight. I’ll be forever grateful if you do.
So which products have I considered? And further, why have they not met the requirements? Well – if you’re interested in Opensource solutions and you’ve been thinking along the same lines as me then read on. Perhaps I can save you some time and frustration…
WordPressMU
I started off by evaluating my favourite blog engine (WordPress), and in particular it’s multi user offspring WordPressMU (or WPMU as it’s known). I figured that a multi user blogging engine with the capability to create thousands of subsites would be a good place to start, and then to slap in some e-commerce plugins with a multi-user capability seemed the next logical step. Logical, but not possible I’m afraid (at least it seems so to me). There is an e-commerce plugin (known as WP-Ecommerce) but it doesn’t seem to play nice with WPMU without lots of help.
The problem is that the WPMU product and community is small, and in desperate need of resources. It seems to me to be a small team of dedicated developers who are struggling to put some momentum into the product. There are are lot of bugs outstanding, the development seems to be slow (or stalled) and there is a distinct lack of documentation and support for themes/plugins and resources in general. The base product is there right enough, and it works – but not without a lot of intervention and fucking around in the code.
The thing is I really love WordPress (I’ve been using it for 2 years here at Howl @ The Moon!) and I had high hopes for WPMU – but it just doesn’t seem stable enough yet, and certainly not mature enoug in terms of the themes and plugins available for it. There doesn’t seem to be the massive following for this product in the same way there is for it’s predecessor, which is a shame. A real shame.
OSCommerce
Next I turned my attention away from Blog/CMS/Portal solutions and on to shopping systems. First out of the traps was OSCommerce – a very robust product in it’s own right, but still lacking the elusive multi-site, multi-shop functionality. In the last 12 – 18 months a new version of OSCommerce has been in the works (V3) and I did manage to find references to both a shopping mall version (OSCMall) and an extension (OSCommerce Multi Site) – but neither of them were realistic yet. The OSCMall seems to have been a nice development project for someone at some point, but now seems to be defunct. The Multi Site extension isn’t quite fully implemented yet, and still depends on some hacking/coding at the database end just to get it working in its current form.
My key requirement which nothing in the OSCommerce world seems to be able to meet is the ability for individual vendors to maintain control over their own content/data/prices/configurations. Maybe someone will crack this for OSCommerce – I really hope they do because on it’s own it’s a great shopping cart system – but thus far I don’t see any evidence of it working for multi-vendor, multi-site. I installed the base code and dropped in the multi site extension on top of it, but the configuration required after that became silly (requiing manual hacks in the database)… so I dropped it right there as being something still a bit away from being production ready.
ZenCart
Another shopping cart solution; I spent many a fruitless night searching forums and reading posts and websites about the elusive multi site and vendor options for this product, but most of what I read suggests that like OSCommerce, Zen Cart developers and communities are still at the infancy stage of developing anything useful in this area. It is listed as a future functionality point in the core roadmap – but it looks like being somewhere between 12 to 24 months away if the development cycle and release times are anything to go by.
Like OSCommerce, Zen Cart is easy to install – but there doesn’t seem to be the urgency associated with this product that there is for OSCommerce from a resource perspective; there seems to be many more extensions and modules available for OSCommerce, and more interest in taking the product further. This however is a subjective view based on the last two weeks of effort on my part, so (as previously stated) I’m happy to be corrected.
 Joomla / Mambo & VirtueCart
I then turned my attention to the CMS/Portal solutions and evaluated the offerings in the Joomla and Mamboserver space. Of the two products Joomla seems to have the most vibrant community and healthy release schedule. Currently close to releasing it’s greatly anticipated V1.5 release (now on beta 2) Joomla looks to be the slicker product of the two at the moment. I came across an extension for Joomla/Mambo known as VirtueCart which is also heading in the right direction (multi site, multi vendor)… but alas like so many other extensions is not quite there yet.
I tried accessing the latest build of Joomla/VirtueCart (known as the Joomla E-Commerce Build) but for some reason the downloads didn’t work; some sort of restricted access at the site error from what I could see. I hunted around for alternatives but eventually gave it up and moved on to the next item. From what I’ve read (but have not tested with these products) the situation is the same here – some folks are working towards the multi-site solution but no one has done it yet successfully within the Joomla/Mambo community.
 PHP Multi-Shop
As with so many projects on Sourceforge and Freshmeat, Php Multi-Shop seems to have kicked off with a bang, and then whimpered out over the long term. There doesn’t seem to be any activity on this project at all these days, possibly becase it came into competition with the straight forward e-commerce options like ZenCart and OSCommerce – and lost out to better functionality, bigger communities and development teams and more widespread appeal as a result.
Of course I tried to contact the developers – as I did with all of the above products – but didn’t get any response at all. Another dead end so, unfortunately.
 Conclusion
So where does this leave me then? Nowhere actually, from an Opensource perspective anyway. Thus far the Holy Grail of multi site / multi vendor shopping seems well out of reach for me, possibly for another year. Which is a real shame because I’ve become a great fan of Opensource and the driven and enthusiastic development communities behind it.
There are other products out there which claim to do the job (e.g. X-Cart), however they cost money and I can’t even get a trial version of these products without paying for them (I’ve tried but most trial versions don’t include the multi-site options). I’m not quite ready yet to throw in the towel and pay for a full solution; I’ll keep searching for an Opensource alternative… but I’m also going to ask you for help too.
Does anyone out there know of a proper opensource multi-site, multi-vendor e-commerce solution that I can use?
If you do – please put me out of my misery and get in touch with some details. Thanks.
Interesting article!
* Have you seen MultiCart (http://multicart.iscripts.com/features.php)? As far as I can see it is not free, but the full-blown version is only $100. There is a online demo version at http://multicart.iscripts.com/demo.php
* Compiere http://www.compiere.org/product/tour/index.html claims to have a complete ERP/CRM solution with integrated web store. It is open source, I don’t know too much about it though…
* Software finder is a great online tool to find business tools – just select the category you’re interested in http://softwarefinder.mbtmag.com/category/46/Discrete-Manufacturing-ERP.html
Hope this will give you SOME new products
~TLC~
Thanks TLC; I’ve fired a mail off to the Milticart outfit for some info and will let you know how that goes.
Thanks for the advice Gary. The search goes on, unfortunately.
Did you get any response from the mail to Multicart? Still searching?
~TLC~
Yeah – I contacted them and worked the requirement through, but they don’t quite do what I need, in the way that I need it done (e.g. no presentation of seperate domain for each customer).
so I guess the search still goes on, unfortunately.
Hi I am interested in the same thing, we are starting with blogs and than stores for those same MU users. We will be making a plugin that works as a bridge, for products for MU. I don’t think we can tackle the whole thing as CRM etc. But, most product or stores need blogs so we are starting with MU, and will build a cluster. Drop me an email if you are interested in collaborating on this project. We will make it open source, so that is a good thing. We love wordpress for everything if we can get it!
Folks – can we calm down please?
The last thing I want to have to do is close this comment thread because I’m still hoping someone will come along and guide me to a good solution at some point.
Well, it’s a hope anyway
Where as I’m all for free speech and expressing your views, please remember I don’t want to end up getting dragged into any legal crap in the process. Other than that – have at it.
Thanks.
c0y0te
I’ve deleted the relevant comments to calm things down.
There is nothing to see here, move along.
c0y0te
That’s a shame, it realy is.
http://www.ebizagenda.com has an extremely thorough multi-store system derived from oscommerce. It’s not free at all, but it is extremely stable and scalable. They’ve built it from a stand point of what someone would actually want. Not the cookie cutter stuff. I know sometime right Christmas they do plan to integrate wordpress for free (only commerce addons cost money), so that may be a good option then. They also have a method to include random product boxes externally that point back to the store(s).
Hope this helps
Intershop.com has something if you have the bucks.
Hey cool I to am finding it hard to source a great flexible solution too Open source is where I will be looking
Shared Pain and Experience.
There is exponent cms and modx cms, 2 claim multisite support. Now, lets consider : “bridge” as solution (punBB or other forums work with “bridge” sharing the same user and permissions ) than probably you can ask developers (of cms) to write bridge module for -blog + e-commerce and voila.
There is Plone CMS to. But well, heavy to customise by guys like me (design, impementation, user) and hard to install on small linux ded.server, need allot POWER. Akamai is slow in loading on it !
Looking for solution and hope that you find so i can learn from here what and how. Cheers…J
Hi, i think that i have the solution for your problem. I searched for the same thing that you but i don’t find what i’m searching for but i think that i have found the solution.
Do you know Magento at http://www.magentocommerce.com
This is a multi site oscommerce with possibility th share product category…. or no. And you can restrict access to some of the feature of the control panel. Each sub web site can have his template and so on. Many other possibilities.
Can you please contact me I have the same idea and i wanna share with you the experience of multi ecommerce web site.
Good Luck
Thanks for the info Zied,
I’ve initiated contact with the Magento team to see if they can facilitate my requirements. I’ve also emailed you seperately.
You have to be very careful while you are using open source application.. Since the source codes are publicly available, they can be easily hacked…..
Hi,
I’m experiencing same troubles and I also went in depth with many commercial platforms (Broadvision, Bea, IBM, Microsoft, …) but I didn’t find any solution for “real” multi-site commerce. In addition I’m looking for a multi-geography java platform (multi-language, multi-store, shared-catalog), and no one of the commercial platforms is designed for this requirement (even Intershop, I think).
Looking at the open source, I found “Of Biz” project but it seems not to be the right choice.
I’d be glad to be in touch with you in order to find something good for us.
Do you think that we need to create a custom platform?
Do you know theese two sites:
http://www.Zlio.com
http://www.shopify.com
The second one is what i wanna do can some one tell me how they do that. It’s terrible.
Joomla+VirtueMart+Multisite support is not the best solution.
Zied,
Zilo I’d never heard of, but Shopify I’d looked at before. I’m not sure what tech they use to deliver that though… maybe another closer look is warranted.
Guidojok, Have you looked in sourceforge.net or freshmeat.org for that Java platform?
great to see an artical on what I exactly want to learn, I starting to build a shop online and everyone tells me to get CMS, but which one? They are all so slow to use.
We have been looking for such mall software as well for over a year.
Paying for X-cart with their X-mall extension is no option as the X-cart product is rather antiquated (no Ajax and not planning for it anytime soon) and has database size limitations (no more than 200,000 products (consider that we have 30,000 product descriptions already and it is a fraction of where we are heading for).
A Virtuemart or Magento-related development really looks like the most likely future option.
I also believe such a developer should be looking at the wigix.com business model (just launched), in order to include such concepts as category managers, SKU-owners and related revenue-producing catalog entries (so royalties).
The model is an interesting vision which essentially splits up the role of a store owner in three components, a catalog entry owner, a catalog product owner and a catalog group owner, all getting a share from a sale.
The Wigix model may make the ‘mall model’ totally obsolete.
First, check Viart (.com). They have a multi vendor solution. 100 $, so worth the investment, multi site and each site can have it’s own admin/color/templates etc.
You can use it simple:
1. create a sellers group and make them add products via the front end and you as a mall owner receive a percentage (from 0 – 100) of the sales, or a fixed amount
more enhanced:
1. make sellers sign up for a own store, create as an admin a site on the backend and grant acces to the seller/vendor with the restrictions you apply.
as far as i’m concerned, it’s the best fit.
Magento wont allow you to set up multi vendor sites, it’s prohibited – and i think the magento team is working on a shopify solution based on magento.
X-cart maybe somewhat outdated, but it’s stable.
i did not check agora cart
also keep on checking http://www.prestashop.com/features.php
since they will release multiple shops. is free also
regards
Does VIART allow for seperate presentation layers per store as well (e.g. shop1.domain.com, shop2.domain.com each with their own style/look and feel)?
Yup – as I suspected the VIART product doesn’t do what I’m looking for yet. They did offer to do it, but for a fee of course and it would require modifications to their base code… so I guess the search goes on.
This was a great article! I too am in search of multi-store capabilities. I am trying to establish a Mall Commerce situation for digital goods. Where the main shop would highlight products from all of the sellers, and each store would be accessible independently. Independently customizable interfaces/products/pricing/taxes/etc. per store is my feature request, as well as control and security geared towards digital media max Downloads etc.
Foxycart has a fantastic interface, ajax powered and intuitive. However. they only host on their servers, you cannot get a hold of the source for their cart.
I actually do not mind paying, but some of the prices are a bit high for my my taste, and I want to be able to host the stores on my own servers.
Anyway, best of luck in your search, I will be right there with ya
As ever, if you do manage to come across a solution please do let me know here because I’ll do a feature on it and make sure everyone knows then.
I think there are quite a few of us looking for the same thing, and I did have high hopes for OSCommerce at one point because they were supposed to be working on exactly this feature set, but that product set seems to have stalled in the last 12 months with hardly any progress on V3.0 release at all – that I can see anyway.
Was searching for the exact same solution when I came across your post. It was informative and I share your frustrations. Tried all the links your readers have posted above too, unfortunately, I have to agree with you that there is none that really matched the basic requirements of user having their own store in a virtual mall scenario.
Anyway, Shopify is running on Ruby on Rails.
And I’ve even went on to search for similar opensource solutions in other languages as C2C ecommerce is the hottest trend now in Asia. Example, ShopNC (demo site: http://multishop.shopnc.net/), and ECShop (with ECMALL going to be released) are all coming out with their mall solutions which are opensource. This two should be modelled after http://www.taobao.com as that is the biggest C2C platform in China now. The only regret is that they do not have any English version yet.
As yet, I am still looking, hoping developers realized the huge potential of such solution (look at Etsy) and I would frequently come back to check on your posts to see if anyone found any.
Thanks!
All I can say is that as soon as I come across the solution out there I’ll post about it here so that everyone can get their hands on the same thing.
I agree with you that it’s mad the developers don’t realise the potential for this kind of solution but for some reason it just hasn’t happened in any of popular opensource solutions yet.
http://www.openfreeway.org is being considered one of the best solutions out there, and they are talking about multi vendors. On this page you can vote for this new feature: http://www.openfreeway.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=576
After looking several programs, I also found iBoutique.MALL very interesting. http://www.netartmedia.net/mall/ – Real demo here: http://www.netartmall.com/
Domain can be like store.domain.com or domain.com/store, store owners can also use their own domains with add-on domain feature. Each user has an individual store, but all products can be searched from the main domain.
If you have a high traffic domain, it will give store owners lots of customers. For this main reason many store owners will pay rent to use your space. The investment is totally worth considering you will have many paying customers. I know people making 5k a month in rent with niche multi-vendor malls. Considering the profit, the investment is minimal!
The support is friendly and they even offered to add an extra payment method for free.
I’m almost decided to buy iBoutique.MALL, I’m tired of looking and not finding anything. I’m just concerned that iBoutique.MALL might be a little too advanced for basic users. Take a look at iBoutique.MALL and share your thoughts.
I’m in the middle of rebuilding my system at the mo, but as soon as it all gets sorted I’ll go check out this iBoutique.MALL option and let you know.
You got to be kidding. None of these I boutique sites are real, serious sites. Some are totally unfinished!
The only few solid multi-store packages that have been around for quite a while are:
1) X-Cart Pro combined with addon X-Mall (php based)
2) rwAuction by Rainworx (ASP based, may need just a small bit of customization)
Also possible candidates:) Aceflex Mall (a bit hard/complex to install and most costly, few implementations mentioned), GoEcart [Shopping Mall version, unclear how much is cost), AShop with plug in Digital Mall (php based).
On eof the most interesting virtual mall softwares is 3D TheMallPlus by ZEDDD
Some screen shots can be seen at:
http://www.zeddd.com/home.html
The status of the project is unclear.
I think a very nice example of what a multi vendor shopping mall should be is this: elo7.com
- featured products
- products added recently
- photo album
- users able to add comments about products
- main page rotates products from all stores
- each store can have an individual address (subdomain or domain)
- search engine friendly urls
Rick,
that elo7.com is indeed a nice mall (sort of Web 2.0).
Any idea who made it?
Peter
No idea who made it. I couldn’t find any script that looks like that anywhere. That’s a great example for developers to look at! I think http://www.deltascripts.com could easily develop a similar script, a mix of phpclassifieds and phpshop. (I asked them to think about it!)
Browse through elo7.com for a while, went through the process of adding items and clicking on checkout.
So far, it seems that almost everything (work flow wise) is similar to etsy.com.
Thanks for the info! I didn’t know about Etsy. Looks like elo7 is kind of etsy clone. Looking for etsy clone I found this: http://www.scriptlance.com/projects/1202528433.shtml
At the end of the page notice the comment about bigcartel.com.
I visited Bigcartel.com and it’s great! It’s probably what most people here are looking for: individual accounts, separate checkouts, subdomains, nice design, paypal integration, simplicity and search engine friendly urls. What’s your impression about bigcartel?
Detail: acvanta.com is the company that can build something like bigcartel. In fact, their motto is: “We can do everything you can imagine!” They have 510 reviews on scriptlance and rating 9.95 with lots of satisfied clients.
Hi ALL,
Very useful post to discuss multi-vendor, multi-shopfront and multi-shopping cart shopping mall script.
If anyone found the best solution to the above, I love to hear it.
Best Regards.
I think the best solution is a script like bigcartel.
1 – The frontpage must have a search field that will search through all stores. These search results will have the option to be sorted by:
- Most Recently Listed
- Least Recently Listed
- Price: High to Low
- Price: Low to High
2 – Frontpage, on the left, will show some 10 pictures of recently added products.
3 – Frontpage, on the left, below new products, will show some 10 random pictures from all the stores, with title: Featured Products.
4 – On the right, some 10 random logos from all the stores, with title: Featured Stores.
With the features above, store owners will get extra traffic and they will be happy with their investment. The missing features that I just explained are the main complain from users leaving etsy and going to bigcartel, but besides that, users love all the other bigcartel features.
We all must concetrate on what a store owner likes and wants more than what we want. That’s one of the reasons of bigcartel great success! They have the shop owner in mind and try to make the experience as easy as possible for both buyer and seller.
See comments: http://forum.bigcartel.com/discussion/350/
NOW, WHO’S GOING TO BUILD A SYSTEM LIKE BIGCARTEL FOR US?
I contacted Juliano of Elo7.com. He speaks English fluently and seems interested in working with anyone developing one’s own site.
Peter
Nice you’ve found the developer! The elo7 (Etsy style) is a great option to start a community and the program has been well developed. But let me point out that there is a substantial difference between etsy and bigcartel. After I learned about bigcartel I totally changed my mind. I hope someone can show up with a product similar to bigcartel. The simplicity and efficiency of bigcartel is winning thousands of shop owners all over the world. But bigcartel really needs the 4 features on the frontpage I’ve mentioned above. Bigcartel has all the features that were mentioned before as being the ideal multi vendor solution. And if thousands of shop owners approve it, then there’s no question about it.
It seems the system of Big Cartel is built by themselves.
Yes, bigcartel is built by themselves. I want to find a developer that can build a system exactly like bigcartel. (bigcartel clone)
Bigcartel = 8000+ happy shop owners can’t be wrong! That’s the right system.
hi all, went for a browse at bigcartel.com, lots of creative shops I must say. Really good congregation of people selling their stuff.
If I am a vendor/seller, both solutions works well for me, I probably will go for one which charge me lower costs or can provide me with more traffic.
As the mall owner, I definitely will want to produce something more like etsy.
As whichever shop a buyer browse too, the etsy header/navigation menu/help etc is always visible and accessible to the buyer. Central accessible database stores all the buyers and sellers information. Important for branding, creating a sense of attraction, the loyalty factor with the buyers (which in terms mean traffic, which in terms mean your bargaining chip to attract your vendors/sellers in the first place). And there are more in the backend that I would love to elaborate on, but its 7am here and I am way past my bedtime. lol.
As a buyer, I would prefer etsy too. It provides me with a sense of belonging. I can register a buyer account there, store all information on my previous orders, participate in the community there..etc. I can shop-hop and add items to my cart and at the end of the day, even though the items I want to buy are from different shops, I can still checkout from 1 shopping cart.
I’ve not really delve into exploring the backend of Bigcartel, but my current feel is that it is like more like a free/low cost hosted ecommerce solution for sellers (something like http://www.shopify.com but not charging like them).
So far I have not found any english base sites that really accomplish the idea.
Anyway, to share the largest mall (and tremendously profitable mall site, especially earning hugely from ads paid by their sellers/vendors wishing to have a spot in their homepage, sub-homepage). >> http://www.rakuten.co.jp/
There are many people migrating from etsy to bigcartel, even though bigcartel is not a craft only website like etsy. You can find many comments on Google, these are some reasons I found:
1 – They want a store that can be easily integrated with their website/blog design
2 – They like the option to create different designs and colors
3 – They like bigcartel inventory management
4 – They like having a subdomain and SEF URLS
5 – They like how payment works
6 – And of course, they like bigcartel affordable fees
But… they would like more exposure on bigcartel frontpage, which I totally agree. The simplicity of bigcartel makes it amazing.
Bigcartel is nowhere near Etsy, not in functionality, innovation, vision nor traffic. It will remain a niche ‘dime a dozen’ site.
I agree with you Papyria. They are totally different things and etsy is far more advanced. But each one targets a specific need. In fact, I’ve seen people that maintain stores on both! They stay with bigcartel because of funcionality and with etsy because of community. These same users said bigcartel system has much better funcionality than etsy.
Community = etsy
Easy Store = bigcartel
So it all depends on your needs. I don’t know if everybody looking for multi vendor systems will be targeting just one type of product, like crafts, for example. Is Juliano selling his etsy clone script? How much? Seriously, I’m really interested in finding a bigcartel clone
Here is an interesting software discovery, not free, but very affordable at first sight. I have no reference sites yet for the multi-venror part, but they do offer it and also combine with social networking, etc:
The main software vendor is called Bondware and this seems real Web 2.0 software.
here is the link to the specic module:
http://www.bondware.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=9&TopID=1
with eCommerce Vendor Brokering
I have put in a few questions with them.
renderosity.com is an example I foudn of teh Bondware solution.
At some time it ranked 8000 at Alexe.com, so not that bad.
I think a lot of the examples that are being given are great, but I would really like if these were download-able, and self-hosted versus a hosting contract.
I would love to get my hands on a system like foxycart.com but its not likely to happen.
As it stands, Magento is the best commerce solution out there, and they do have multistore, but there is nothing simple about magento.
I’ve looked at Magento, and contacted the developers but what I’ve been looking for (multi-vendor, multi-store) is not currently possible within Magento, and I think it will be a while before the Magento product is stable enough, and mature enough to do it.
For asp.net shopping cart types, I would consider contacting Early Impact with their Web 2.0 type ProdctCart. They also have a great Ebay compatibiity.
Their cart is not yet multistore, but it could well be developed that way quickly as it is very stable.
Also, the developers are very responsive and knowledgeable.
I’ll give it a shot with them myself too, but the more asking the better.
Anyone tried catalook.netstore? It is a dotnetnuke multi-vendor multi-portal software and seem quite mature.
See: http://marketplace.dotnetnuke.com/p-85-catalooknetstore-pro-and-booking-tools050302.aspx
It was made by dnnsoft.com
catalook.netstore:
This software/license key is licensed, not sold.
Besides…so many limitations.
Joe,
I have no clue what you mean by Catalook.netstore not being sold, but only available with ‘license key’.
It is sold, at $129 without source and $199 with source, including 1 year of updates!
Obvioulsy one has to pay for improved versions beyodn that year. Their work is not free. Still one can continue to use the application without paying extra as long as new technology allows.
By the way, the open source DotNetNuke (its platfom) is a major standard in business software.
Also, Catalook.netstore is a mojor shopping cart standard, even in use with large corporations.
An example site of a multi-vendor ‘mall’ can be seen at: http://www.VendorsBay.com
Their CS is very impressive (fast and accurate as they actually READ my questions!) and so is their software documentation. This is a German software product, which may explain the depth and completeness (I’m not sure what ‘limitations’ you were referring to, if any exist, they seem to be minor and can be customized).
This product proves once more that php/mysql platforms are no match for asp.net/mssql ones. The later technology is well ahead each time, due to it having teh support of creative and well funded software manufacturers as opposed to unpredictable ‘community development’.
Peter
Just chiming in to get updates. I’ve looked at Magento and as commented above, it does support multi-store, but not multi-vendor/payment nor are they planning on it doing that.
http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/Scripts_and_Programs/E-Commerce/Online_Malls/index.html
This is as close to a list as you’ll ever get.
This one looks like new product on hotcripts: http://mysellerstores.com/ but the design is ugly. I’m still looking for something nice and simple like bigcartel.com
I’d really like to get in touch with Juliano about Elo7.com. Can anyone point me in his direction?
This is Juliano’s (Elo7.com) email address:
juliano DOT ipolito AT elo7.com.br
Peter
Got it working.. sorta.. I have needed this for a long time so I used Joomla 1.5.6, Virtuemart 1.1.2 and the multisite component on the Joomla extensions directory (http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,viewlink/link_id,5550/Itemid,35/) and you can accomplish this. The only downside is the multisite only redeploys the base Joomla but, with a tool like navicat, you can easily copy/paste tables from the master to the cloned site and viola, you’re set.
I am also searching for a solution to this, my site is going to be an art/lifestyle magazine online, but I want the individual artists to be able to upload their images of their artwork and sell it online in my shop (cart not yet developed).
I wanted to allow the artists to have their own blog and “store” but it would all fall under one umbrella.
I too was considering wordpress mu and magento but haven’t figured out how to “connect the dots”
Keep me posted on what you find out and I’ll do the same.
Aloha,
Liz
Ricardo
Thanks for the slam on our product and yes it is new and we have several new designs now. It is a multi-vender system that allows sellers direct payment from buyer, not admin account.
Come take a look at http://mysellerstores.com now…..
http://etsyshops.net/craftstorez/ is a nice design by mysellerstores.com
Hi … glad I’ve found this discussion. I have recently launched a social networking site for a niche craft and I’m looking for something like an etsy / bigcartel kind of solution that offers multi-site / multi-vendor capabilities.
I’m pulling more towards the bigcartel side of things, as we already offer a community site. Ideally, I would like our “Pro” members to have access to their own store online as an extension to our community.
Anyway, I’m interested in keeping up with developments here and will post any solutions if I come across them.
Martin
Welcome to the mix Martin; your one of many watching and waiting for someone to deliver this kind of functionality. I’ve been chasing this for over two years now and I’m still quite amazed that none of the e-commerce opensource development teams (or plugin/module teams for that matter) have managed to get this done yet, especially when everyone seems to be looking for it.
Oh well – we continue to watch and wait for a some good news in this space, and for my part I’ll keep this topic alive and let everyone know if anything new happens.
c0y0te
I’m always watching this post hoping that I will find the right solution. I’m with Martin because I’m not looking for a community system like etsy. What I really need is a multi-store system that’s going to be easy and feature rich, well, bigcartel for me is the perfect example since how sef urls work to how users manage their inventory.
Hi Coyote / Papyria / Ricardo / Others
I’m a late joiner in this forum and have the same requirement as you guys. I’ve checked on the script from Viart and iScripts and have almost decided on going for a paid one. Coyote .. whats your study on these vendors ?
I don’t mind buying from these guys and having it customised so as to have a mashup of etsy, elo7, shopify and wigix. Since I’m not a techie but a pure entrepreneur, i was hoping to request your advice if you could :
Should i give the customization work to these software / script vendors? is that a good idea ? would they do a good creative/design job ?
Can i have each of your’s personal email id as well so that we can communicate one to one basis as well. Mine is ke_chan (at) hotmail (dot) com
Ketan,
Welcome, I have several i am working on now, one for dolphin 6.14 Boonex
also a custom one being made as well…
mysellerstores.com
Ketan,
I was just thinking it was time to revisit the various vendors and offerings for an update, so your timing is perfect. I’ll see about pulling an updated article together and including in the new contenders as well.
In fact – I’ll take the approach of constructing a functional matrix and enquiring directly from each of the vendors about their current or planned capabilities and see how we go from there.
Rob aka c0y0te
http://www.avalon5.com/science-and-technology/technology/open-source-e-commerce-holy-grail-quest/
You’ve spurned me into action
Hey Guys … Thanks for all this. I have researched a few sites and they look neat if we could strategize into some mashup. The sites i like are http://www.skimbit.com , http://www.shopflick.com , http://www.pikaba.com , http://www.dealspl.us
I was thinking if waiting for open script vis-a-vis buying and stop wasting time to market … whats better ? We still need a lot to custom either ways and if we can hold onto something close to perfect … lets grab and move on. Maybe i can invest in the script and each of us takes some activity to do and we jointly own the new-ware. What say ? As it is we all are having the same thought of developing on the similar structure. Once we decide on the core group amongst ourselves … i shall put in more as a document and we can brainstorm over it.
Your thoughts .. guys ?
I think it would be a mistake to attempt to develop this from scratch (e.g. a new e-commerce platform/system) given that there are so many others out there with all the basics already covered off. More likely – what we need to do is convince one of the dev teams out there currently supporting/enhancing their offering to include such functionality into their roadmap. That way it’s simply an extension to an existing solution.
The alternative is that we have to build a total solution from the ground up, which would be time consuming and costly. That’s my twopence worth:)
In this case we need to zero down on someone in the shopping cart development company. Whom do we all feel is worth of the lot discussed above ?
I mentioned mine in my earlier message (above).
Have so fact contacted:
- Etsy.com
- GetShopped.com
- OSCommerce
- Joomla
- VirtueMart
Will attempt to contact the main players first and then the niche vendors to see if there has been any progress, or if any functionality like this is planned.
Magento has added a LOT of this functionality and is only really missing the ability for separate catalogs with separate store admins right now.
I would run this by their devs as well.
http://www.magentocommerce.com
Dont order from http://www.mysellerstores.com all of his scripts are buggy and he doesnt refund any money. He is a big scam artist! Dont trust him.
Notice his scripts dont give refunds nor are they downloadable! This means you loose all the way.
The guys name is RICHARD ERVING! Dont trust him or mysellerstores.com
Evago
I have also been looking for a software like this. It’s refreshing to see other people discussing this. I would like to be updated about your findings. I’ll keep checking back to see if you heard back from those websites.
Did anyone hear back from elo7?
Suggest you follow http://www.avalon5.com/science-and-technology/technology/open-source-e-commerce-holy-grail-quest/#comment-33787 thread for updates on this. I’ve just received an interesting response from the VirtueMart developers and am following up for more details with these and others.
OOH! The guy at http://www.mysellersores.com is a total scam! Dont do business with him, he needs to be reported. I notice he also runs craftstorez.com, its a shame in 2009 you still have dishonest people stealing money.
Has anyone looked at PrestaShop? They have a multi shop feature coming soon. Not sure if this is multi vendor though…
http://www.prestashop.com/en/features/
I’m looking at the Ubercart Marketplace module. I wish I found this three months ago. Ubercart is an open source ecommerce module for drupal. Drupal is a lot to learn but can be customized to do almost anything so working with a pro might get me what I’m looking for.
http://www.ubercart.org/contrib/5410
http://drupal.org/
Bobby, your a punk and don’t know what your talking about, go ahead and report to who? I don’t know you and have not done work for you at all so keep your thoughts to yourself. Like it makes a difference what you post here or what you are saying about me or my site. Keep up the posts
Please see the following post (link below) for information on the creation of forums specific to this topic which I hope will help advance the discussions in a more efficient and user frieldly way.
http://www.avalon5.com/science-and-technology/technology/multi-vendor-multi-store-e-commerce-forums-now-open/
Evago Your the same person (Bobby) Nice try bud again, I dont know who you are and you did order from me, you should test the demos 1st and then buy, they work fine but you know by posting bad things in different names making it seem negitive to all is ok, it is your thoughts and your entitled to it. You not only email me with vulgar words is also ok, it just shows your not that bright and your the only person that ever requested a refund. so this is how I know that bobby and Evago are one and the same.
Evago your called a hater so keep the hate, it is what the world needs is more like you…..I will counter all posts so go ahead, i will also post this blog on my website as well.
Folks – I understand that heated discussions will arise from time to time, but I’d like to keep this thread on track if possible so please can we refrain from getting into personal issues between entities. Let’s focus on the solutions, vendors and options out there. Thank you.
As everybody else here I too am looking for a customizable mall type setting. I came across this page with a listing of carts and it appears to be one of the most complete shopping cart lists I have stumbled upon. Hope it helps.
http://www.ecommerceoptimization.com/ecommerce-shopping-cart-solutions/
I was thinking about ordering from http://www.mysellerstores.com but it seems that all of the copies are illegal! I dont want to be rude or mean but isnt it against the law or shall I say copy right infringment to copy someones exact site to the T?? Please some one help me out.
AND Why do I see so many negative post on http://www.mysellerstores.com , is he really a scam??
Joann
I dont sell illegal copies of anything, as you can see, show me a link to where it is I am copying from….
The Dolphin Mall is mine
The New Mall in production is mine
The clones are clone of mine that I have modified and licenced so show me
You Know what is funny here, This person and any posts here that de-grade my site and all that is done from the same person and maybe there are some that are not happy or just angry in general and this is ok. I have had only one person request a refund and I did not honor this due to the fact that this person had it installed and wanted to take there site a different direction and I refused the refund. Paypal had gone in my favor so let that be known.
You can post bad things to me or my site and your entitled to it so if you post these comments anywhere, please show me where the software is being displayed and where I stole it.
I do modify scripts and the ones I modify are legal and fair so next time, show me the software I am selling that is illegal
Well, I didn’t mean to offend anyone but there is so many scams going on out there and I was in a chat room with about 80 others and we where discussing shopping mall scripts,lmembership scripts , liscening ect..n well anyway many people told me to stay away from mysellerstores.com . I dont know why????? But it was not one person. Maybe its the old adage , bad news travels faster and is more believable than good news. Personally I like what I see. Im just trying to find the perfect business for my new start up, I dont want to get into angry customers, and I dont want to take sides, I don’t have time for that sort of thing its mere childs play! I just want whats right for my start up. From my discovery , everyone is telling me to stay away from this site, or that site ect….. I think the best way to go now is to get my own script custom built just as the ones selling the scripts,( scriptlance.com or getalancer.com) and if all else fails maybe I can join the ranks of a script seller.
Joann
Joann
I am not offended, I dont care if anyone does not ike my scripts and they are mine so I expect you will spend $5000 to get a mall script built and will take 6-8 weeks so good luck to you.
People can chat and complain and that is fine, I posted this thread on my website so my buyers can make an informed purchase
Joann,
How is this, email me and the second my new mall is ready, I will give you a free copy and you can use this anyway you wish and I would love to go into the chatrooms and join in and allow me to defend and take peoples advice and responses so if you would like me to join it I will. I will reply to any questions asked.
So if you (Joann Only) want a free copy, it will save you time and you can either have us do any work to it to get it the way you need, I will do the work for a set fee but meanwhile, you will have this as I will let you download it and try it out.
Let me know
I just wanted to say that I could very well rename my site and change the looks of my site and software and do this from a new site but I dont, because I do think that word travels fast and this is ok, I think freedom of speech is great. Those people that say things in the chats or posts have not bought from me and are going on what others say. I guess I can understand if they dont like the looks or the design but my software is being developed and updated regularly so in demos, not all features work because we do live testing.
I am not hiding and I am not worried but it seems the client i sold the script to is not happy and he even told me he will spend all his time in posting bad things and chatting to all he knows. He has a friend doing the samething so it is one and the same I assure you.
I only had one person who wanted a refund, everyone else was happy and I email them to check in on them to make sure all is working the way it should. so no complaints there.
What else can I say without making it seem like I am over defending myself or repeating all of this.
Hey Guys … Please respect the policy and rules for this topic and postings. Coyote was polite once and requested to do all these outside this forum. I, too request Rick and the other guys (please do not take this personal) who may have any differences with Rick on taking this someplace else and please keep this forum to what the agenda is. Strictly no personal / product selling or marketing (good or bad). Thanks.
Coyote …. can you drive it once again so the agenda is not ruled out at all and the discussion is once again interesting.
Returning back to the issue of e-commerce, I have found some very interesting software which I think will be of interest to the community. Now at the price of nearly US$4,000 it aint cheap, but it covers a lot (if not all!) the functionality.
http://www.interspire.com/virtual-shopping-mall/
It has some impressive features including an Ajax style drag and drop design layout for vendors.
Has anyone used this solution or have anymore information on it???
I’ve found this one that looks good: http://uaekarobar.com/ from preprojects.com. What I’m missing on this script is search engine friendly urls and a subdomain for each store like bigcartel.com. ( Example of SEF URL on bigcartel.com: http://mindframeclothing.bigcartel.com/product/the-majority-rules-tee )
Any news from Magento?
They already have the multi store feature, you just can’t seperate them to different users as far as i understand.
This is a very interesting thread, I’m looking for this feature too. I will follow this thread until we have some results!
magento can offer multiple stores but can’t give separate admin functions to separate users: here are a couple of threads from the magento forum that address the issue:
http://www.magentocommerce.com/boards/viewthread/15852/
http://www.magentocommerce.com/boards/viewthread/19790/
http://www.magentocommerce.com/boards/viewthread/16002/
http://www.magentocommerce.com/boards/viewthread/12491/
it seems many people are asking and have been asking for this feature but magento seems unwilling or unable to comply.
well ive been trying oscomerce and virtualmart not so good for a multi store wut idid was install many oscommerce with diferent database and linked as store but i will like 1 system taht bring the solution for a multi store so usuer dunt have to register in each oscommerce link….
if any one knows for a opensuorce system tath works with multi stores just like a mall will be perfect
I have a few that is a multi-vendor solution so if interested email me and will allow true multi-vender in three versions:
Seperate stores/url mall format
Video mall/product mall storefronts
Cms Mall marketplace script
anyone interested let me know, these are just about ready.
A few of those posts here downgrade me as some seem to think I just modify existing software and while this is true, I am not bad person
I was looking at prestashop and I like it. It’s much better than oscommerce, I like especially the Search Engine Friendly URLS it creates. They are talking about multi shops, it seems they will have a muti vendor solution soon:
http://www.prestashop.com/forums/viewthread/11353/P15/#51595
http://www.prestashop.com/forums/viewthread/11916/modules/new_phase__user_can_shop_from_a_single_maufacturer__requirement/
Nope they wont and cant make the multi-vendor mode like you all want. I am currently just about done with three and while it may not have all the features of prestashop it is going mopre toward big cartel style with seperate stores and in a mall format. SEO friendly urls etc….
anyways
thank u im going to try that one if u find any opensource that have the multistore as a mall will be great to know
Well, open source malls you will all find that they contain bad coding styles and complicated to have professionals work on and make into malls. I can make the modules that presta shop cant so you know…..
They say it is not possible but they are wrong. If anyone here wants to come together and plan this out and we are not limited to just presta shop, I mean any open source stores that need multi-vendor, multi store ability my team can do this. example, cs-cart would cost $2000 for me to make this into a mall but FULL Separated Stores for your clients and all the workings and features as if it were separate scripts.
presta shop same thing, zen cart, etc….
let me know and if anyone wants to chip in, would take 6 weeks to do
By the way, if anyone wants a free copy of the new malls and I mean all three when I am done with it, I will offer this to only 5 people from this thread that email me a request. Why am I doing this? well, feedback, ideas for added modules, and get all the bugs out. although I debug as I go, there may be some lingering that I missed
These will contain full source codes but is not a re-sale license.
email me for my restrictions and limitations on this offer
Rick, you said: “while it may not have all the features of prestashop it is going more toward big cartel style with seperate stores and in a mall format. SEO friendly urls.” My dream is to have a system like bigcartel.com with each store on a subdomain and SEF URLS. It would be nice – but not necessary – if the frontpage could rotate featured products and featured stores like this example: http://www.elo7.com. If you make something like bigcartel.com I’ll be the first one to order!
Well, the site you sent me to looks pretty good and as far as the items and store rotator that is exactly what it will do and we can design the template to match anything so as far as that goes I think you have the idea. the mall will run for $249 so to add a new template to your needs would be $150 so you can see it is not near the costs of all those malls that want $4000 or even $2000
Ricardo,
i want to understand your needs and everyone here needs to understand as well that multi-vendor scripts are very tough to make work for everyones needs meaning that sure, the open source systems out there and the need for a cms style mall system with a array of features would be ideal.
I am asking the site owner of this thread to open a forum and at my expense will build this, I have the base done already so the new forum would cater to ALL needs posted in this site.
of if anyone wants to host the forum on there site, let me know lets stop searching and lets build this sucker….I have 3/4 of this done……
let me know anyone
Oh I wanted to add something, I am not one of those that will just disappears and leave people hangin in this process, i am very serious and ALL persons who join the forum, will get a free copy of the mall, the only charge I would have is for features that are not built in or template integration and that is only a $150 charge and this is my costs and so if anyone who wants to commercialize there site and use the new platform then lets do it.
The website test area is at the following urls
http://theproductionserver.com/mymall/ —individual stores like bigcartel
http://mysellerstores.com/cmsmall/index.php —cms mall selling platform and integrated stores
video/media version coming soon
they all work with the same backend with turn on and off features
Most of you here need to understand I am not concerned with my own site at this point, I am just wanting to finish the 3 versions and then I will design my own commercial site. I am also making a mall rental system meaning works like the stores but will allow the member to choose to open own mall on own domain or open a store all using single database and product feeds….this is where all the malls are heading…..exciting isn’t it
I like the idea of pooling our resources and actually ‘getting the functionality developed’ by sharing the cost. Perhaps a more appropriate mechanism for this would be open a forum debate on the required functionality, build concensus on a list of requirements and then approach the vendors for costed effort proposal to deliver on the requirement… hmm.. I do happen to have some forums on Avalon5 that could be used.
It’s May, 2009. Where are you, Rick, on development. What is the current status?
Thanks,
I am just about to launch a beta of our mall + stores in the next few days and when I upload this to the servers over the next few days I will be sure to link it here.
http://theproductionarea.com is where it will be fully installed in beta so keep an eye out
thank you! will keep an eye out.
Here is the update and this week many many additions are coming into play. right now the stores are cheap looking but we are placing in the new design. what is there is only place holders and we are also changing the main page mall page and structure very soon now.
you may open a store and all that then login to your store panel to add products and remember this is in all in alpha stage at this point and this week will yield a much better look and design as well as added features
so keep an eye on phpmymall.com as well as http://www.phpmymall.com/MVM/MVM/ and yes it is this url for a reason. Any comments are welcome
Rick. Thanks for your great efforts.
We were in the process of having a developer build our Mall store.
The jump off point was a commercial script; we were not getting
what we wanted, so we stopped the process.
How can I email you directly… Thanks,
Michael
Hi Mike
You can email me at admin@phpmymall.com
and from there if your in US I will provide my phone number
Hi
I am interested in phpmymall, when will it be available and how much
Shirley
shirley arriola
email me and I will give you all the info but monday we test live
http://phpmymall.com
Rick, I am impressed with the momentum you are providing to this thread. I looked at the work so far and it is good stuff! Let me say now that I wish to be one of those on your free mall script list! My need is a little different from the thread’s author:
I need:
1 Very large database of part numbers/brief description, and the categories that those parts are in, and the manufacturers. This “master list” and categories/manufacturer is only added to and changed by the Master Site Administrator (me).
2 Sellers select from this partbase for the items that they have in stock, and specify various different conditions for each item for sale, such as price, delivery terms, warranty, etc.
3 Buyers are presented with the entire partbase/categories/manufacturer. Parts that are available by at least 1 seller are presented as links. When the buyer selects that part number (link), He/She is presented with all instances of that part for sale, and the various prices/terms for each.
This is the basic treatment – I could go into much greater detail but wont here.
My application is to put the people who “need” these parts (worldwide) in touch with the people who have them – yes this is industrial in nature, so no need for much “flair” just content rich, much like eBay.
Thought 2,
I too have been knawing on this project for about two and a half years now, finding nobody, no solution. Many get semi close, but never hit the mark. Everything is geared towards a commercial “product”, one that needs a cute little picture and Long description.
my email address is cpoth(at)bellsouth(dot)net
Hi thanks I am doing my best to get this done and we are adding some modules not explained here for that wow factor so please email me so we can discuss the workflow on this. admin@mysellerstores.com and you can call me direct
Hey Rick,
You seem to have done it all single handedly … Congrats mate !!
I was away for a few months and good to see the things finally shaping up like we all imagined in the earlier stages. I will like to have a good evaluation of the product Rick … and tell me where i can log in.
I”m sure your product carries a lot of juice and it would be a pleasure to see it come alive. Congrats once again Rick.
Coyote …. special thanks to you as well my friend for this wonderful forum.
Regards >> Ketan
ke_chan@hotmail.com
We’ll be either building our own mult-store site or buying one for our produtct catalog of antique magazine product decsriptions (including content and multiple images per product).
A few items of advice from me when developing the multi-store site:
1) Offer site that can both offer sellers a shared joint catalog and additionally their own catalog, so they can share each other’s common catalog resources as well as maintain their own specialized non-sharable catalog items.
2) Offer sellers the functionality to add new product entries to the joint catalog, which will first need to be queued in a staging area so site administrators can review and approve or disapprove. An Ex-cart mall has that. To incentivise such content contributions, make sure you build in some kind of revenue sharing stream with that so ‘catalog entry content’ owners / contributors can earn a percentage on other sellers’ sales with their ‘owned’ catalog content entries. This is especially relevant in all media related catalog products (like books, magazines, CD, DVD, music sheets etc) where catalog content can be quite costly to generate
3) Offer sellers the option (opt out/in) of sharing their existing (repeat) customer database with the mall users. Make sure you build in some kind of revenue sharing stream with that so ‘customer database’ owners / contributors can earn a percentage on other sellers’ sales to their ‘owned’ customers.
4) Offer Advanced Search both with combinable fixed description fields and Boolean operators (and/or/not/truncated), combinable in multiple expressions for free text ‘long decsription’ fields. That way buyers can search in the long content description fields for their subjects, even if they do not know the exact item name or they can search for media related content. Make sure you highlight the matching keywords in the search results list as well as the individual item descriptions for quick navigation. This is especially important with multi-store sites where many sellers have long description fields with lost of text. One wants to prevent that buyer needs to looking for a matching text in each product listing by using the Find of a browser, which is much slower than visual ‘highlighted’ navigation. This is typical of multi=store environments (see Ebay) with lots of product listings ending up as search results and buyer having no way to narrow that long list down.
5) Offer each store a master/slave acccess control with different access levels and authorizations. It will allow sellers to outsource tasks in their online store without compromising the entire store security. That way their store becomes scalable so optimally equippped for serious growth. The moment a growing store starts doing dividion of labor, it will then be able to adapt the store management by spreading one original task over two or more people. A major site like Ebay failed to understand teh importance of this and doe snot offer it, which makes the division of labor amongst its small sellers virtually impossible.
Thanks for the advice Peter but I have several malls I am working on all at the same time and all of them out of my own pocket from my own team. I will however take it under review and current mall production areas:
http://mysellerstores.com/new_mall/ —I am still separating the stores and adding more seller features
http://emall.theproductionarea.com/ — keep an eye on this one over the next week
I am also smack in the middle of designing a mall merchant Social Network generator so think of the front social network end (main root) having the system generate an empty social network to a subdomain and all the activity and products and product share system feed the the main root and super admin is god and controls 100% of the system….. ajax panels and drag and drop…..any want to know more, please ask me
By the way Mall Demo here http://www.phpmymall.com/ will be getting some face lifts and added USPS shipping modules this week so I think tests can begin Monday to be safe….then release time
Ketan thanks for the compliments
http://www.sellersarena.com/MVM/ here is the mall integrated with SMF forums we did…. it is not complete yet but look at the blocks, we added admin control so the super admin can add ads and control images. the logos display and look at one of the product pages. http://www.sellersarena.com/Stores/index.php?page=item&name=HOME&cat=all
this is a client site please done bother her …just wanted to show the latest
Anyone tried to use Interspire’s Shopping Cart Virtual Mall? They seem to be right on the spot with their features. But I’m just concerned with some extremely negative comments about their services. $4,000 is a bit steep, so I have to be wary. If anyone has a view on them, please let me know!
http://www.interspire.com/virtual-shopping-mall/
Peter, all 5 of those comments sound completely right to me – good insight.
Yandi
I have reviewed allot of malls while making mine and you need to understand in a single checkout process using paypal means that this is not a true multivendor mall. payments go to the admin and the admin does a mass pay, not worth the $4000+ and people that charge that much should be ashamed.
here is the mass pay in a site cart single checkout in a nut shell and I know cause I made one for a dolphin cms system.
The seller adds an item
a buyer selects products from multiple sellers
goes to cart
splits the order in the pre-checkout process
the masspay kicks in by paying the admin
the splitter then splits and auto generates using the api
then the masspay api pays the sellers all in one but the admin gets hit with masspay fees in this process
Not a good and streamlined way. the only place that allows a payment structure in a multi vendor payout is ebay and thats because they are paypal and have the api control that they DONT sell
No Inspire system is not a solution but looks good and features are good but again this is a mass pay system………
goto http://mydolphinmods.com/profilestores/ and add products from vendors on this test platform and go all the way to final cart…and see the seperation,…. this uses the masspay api on final….but this will let you see
Case how are you…. lets talk today
Rick,
I like your point of addressing the payment API and costs.
It should be well thought through and Interspire has not done that.
I recommend though not reinventing the wheel and instead looking at sites that already do this beyond Ebay, like Abebooks. At Abebooks and Alibris. I believe there a store owner can use both a common payment option and a store specific one.
If a buyer only buys with him, the buyer gets more options than if a buyer buys in multiple stores.
As to ‘my points’ I just want to make everyone aware here that many malls failed BECAUSE they do not have this functionality. That means there is no true ‘resource sharing’ which translates in ‘being stronger together’ than on one’s own through benefiting from eachother’s assets.
The reason of this mall failure trend is that mall owners do not truly offer scale benefits, neither for sellers nor for buyers. I even see this trend on Ebay, where sellers leave for lack of true economy of scale benefit. If there is ‘revenue sharing’ built in, there will be an incentive for those who have assets like customer databases or content databases to come join. Otherwise they really will have zero incentive to join. No seller is truly interested in just ‘store functionality’ and maybe ‘forum functionality’.
Peter
Good point and I am making a Social Mall and this is new and I will be showing links soon and all I can tell you about this is it will address what your saying and allow FULL product shares/sells/profit pools and admin controls to allow permissions on ALL of the social network generated in system to sub domains. I making a social mall rental system and during the signup process they will get there own social network mall on the sites subdomain and all controlled by super admin…… just wait it is coming very soon now
Oh I am doing both admin only payments and Multi-vendor IPN as well so the admin will have a choice on collecting from all or let the sellers use IPN for direct payment (true Multi-vendor I call it)
I’m one of the many people looking for a multi-vendor mall platform and am looking into all the suggestions here. I wanted to warm people about iscripts. Their software is just $99 but the support is terrible, product is buggy and I have been fighting with them for my “no questions asked” refund for more than a week now.
Terri,
If you goto http://craftstorez.com you will see there HORRIBLE gostores product and I have been fighting them as well so if you paid for this product you wasted your money as this product is an admin only payment structure and not TRUE multi-vendor and you really want the sellers to control the payments from buyers.
Anyways they wont work with you and they are adding some ok things but as you found out buggy. This is the reason I decided to build a mall with this in mind.
Right now my product is in final stages before release and I am adding a new front end and more admin controls as well as an advanced admin area.
The following is what I am adding soon:
New Super Admin and Store Admin Interface
New Template for font end http://phpmymall.com/Skate_template/
Some Visual features
Highslide features
print controls
and more……
The last few days I have added USPS Domestic calculator (International is next and address verification, label print ability (later we will attach real time postage)
Added Live Chat Module Server (super admin controlled). New session controls
Warranty for Products (optional for seller to offer insurance) we are teaming up with a company for this https://www.warrantyfeed.com/ has agreed to integrate this for free
Next we are making an integrated version of this software for true marketplace (etsy like) system
Digital Product Support and players
New admin area for sellers and buyers
Oh I forgot http://mysellerstores.com/new_mall/index.php
I will be offering this mall next week as I add the inventory controls and better image handling so I will announce the release of this soon. This is a mall that will be a start for those who wish to have a mall to test and run at a price tag of only $100 and this is a script we can add ANY template or look to. I have separated the stores and right now there are css issues and alignment issues as this progresses but I hope to finish it soon.
as for Terri I will offer this mall to you for free so email me and I will keep you in the loop. Why free for you, because we had the same issue with iscripts and I am willing to put a template in for you (not included in this deal) and get you going.
Anyways everyone, A LOT more coming and a few malls on the way…..
We will be making a Mall Rental System and if anyone wants to know what that is, email me
Rick
Ricardo
I can build you a mall just like big cartel so let me know and I will give you details…..email me or post response here
http://theproductionarea.com/Skate/index.php
We have updated the integrated version and will be working on both mall systems to make sure things are all tightened down. Also the USPS international Calculators will be in as well. so I am busy busy boy here…… I am taking any donations at this point and will reduce credit the money donated toward final product
I need a designer to make a design for me I will give a copy of final product for your efforts. I only want one (1) so any takers should contact me and post it all here or send me email I will also put your label on the front end to let others know you can make them a skin for the template system I am making for this.
New word out is I have a product api coming out for this and will allow mall owners a way to make apps and modules. if we use your modules, we will add to our pool and add to our modules mall I am working on
gets better and better doesn’t it I want comments on the design and functions be very direct….. like if it is ugly, tell me….if you want more controls, tell me that……I don’t take any comments to heart
@Rick
Why don’t you try Smarty? (www.smarty.net) There are a few opensource templating engine out there. I’ve used Smarty myself and it’s good.
Yes we will be using this style but the way we have planned this was to make in php class files for potable use… you will see what I mean when i get this completed….we will use an engine of some kind so I will review the smarty site…. Thanks Mike
Hello Rick,
You say you can build a store like Big Cartel? Please give me more information.
Samuel
Samuel
What information would you like…. we have already built the foundation so all we would need to do now is skin it to your design and you will have a big cartel mall the design can simply display the stores like they have it and when selected take buyer to the store….
You can brand this like they have it and the subdomain system we are working on next and will be ready very soon.
email me Samuel admin@phpmymall.com
Great article and even more useful info in the comments. Here’s another piece of info. Sometimes using one shopping cart for a long time is not the best decision. You may switch to more effective one with cart2cart web service. It automates data transfer http://www.shopping-cart-migration.com
i have the software that your looking for..
its multi merchant
250k worth of development done to date.
its even in a working mode..
but it needs more work.
im willing to hand over the sourse code for a team to finnish it off
and go halfs in selling it…
or mabie sell it to get my money back..
it still needs
items that are uploaded by a single merchant to be added into a market place.
this is so consumers can brouse the market place and purchase.
consumers can also browse the market place and grab links and make money from referals as an affiliate.
it needs a gui interface designed
this is so it becomes a click to do or a click to move onto the next part..
ite for merchant setup and for customer setup.
it has
Shopping Cart Software
Affiliate Program and Management Software
Membership and EProduct Protection Software
Custom Email Management Software
Unlimited Autoresponders
Ad Tracking+
Product Management Software
thats all it needs
if your interested lets have a chat
Paul,
lets see what you have before I agree to put time and money into this….what software is this and where did it come from. I dont want anything that is hot code or nulled as well as de-coded. if you say it is
let me know
contact me on my email will send details to you
just got your comment reply.
its legit code, i bought the sourse code, rights the works..
its a fantastic designed system, but the company that did it ran out of steam.
and there is not even an active copy of it out on the internet.
the licence copies that were sold all died when the company fell over.
i was a few of the lucky ones that bought the un-encripted version, the sourse code and full right sto it.
the company is well off the radar now even i have tried to email them to try to find out the coders details but with no success.
you more than welcome to give it a test run as it sits.
i have a running copie working now..
just send me your email and ill send you a link…
well of course I want to see it running and my email is admin@phpmymall.com
done!
let me know what you think.. its got a lot of potentual!
php, with fully editable html templates
I did not get email
send to admin@mysellerstores.com
or
admin@phpmymall.com
done please check/…
Hi
Does not seem like a mall but more of a viral system but we can make this into a full mall system so email me to my main account at admin@craftstorez.com and lets start talking about this
for the ones following this thread you can check out the full features of this multi merchant shopping cart software here.
http://merchantshoppingcart.com/
the download buy link is dead..
but if you want to buy a copy contact me
via my site http://www.nzsearchengine.co.nz
In talks now about merging this shopping cart software with ricks marketplace..
so if you have ideas on any other modules you would like in the merger of the multi merchant shopping cart and market place.. please post some suggestions.
Looks like IXXO Cart may have ponied up today with their multivendor/multistore cart system. It runs standalone and with Joomla.
http://www.php-shop-system.com/blog/ecommerce-in-United-States-will-Pick-up-by-2010.html
I have been following this thread since September 2008. I too wanted a multi-vendor mall with each store having its own URL.
I am in Australia and most scripts only offer PayPal or systems we don’t use here. I needed to include Paymate and offline processing such as bank transfer, money orders, bank cheques etc. I also needed shipping modules that could be configured for Australia Post and for each store to have SSL facilities.
Having to work with a shoestring budget and finding no viable scripts, I decided to use the free version of CubeCart 3 and make each store a separate installation, in a new folder, with its own database.
The idea worked and you can see it at http://www.centrestores.com
However, even at AUD 5.00 per month lease for each store, I struggled to get many bites. The re-sign rate has been terrible and I doubt the site will continue after this September.
If finding sellers wasn’t bad enough, finding buyers for them was impossible. As far as I’m aware, only one store has made a sale! To use paid advertising, I would need to charge a lot more rental and then I would get even less store owners. It’s the old “Catch 22″ situation.
Having spent many hundereds of hours on creating my site and helping shopkeepers configure stores to suit their particular requirements, I now wonder why I bothered in the first place.
There is no way I could justify spending USD 400 or more for a script, even if it was suitable for Australia. The rate of return doesn’t even cover my hosting costs. People much prefer to simply buy from eBay.
I can’t think of any better way to run a full, multi-vendor mall – but will still keep looking for a while. Marketing is definitely the biggest problem, regardless of what script you use.
Graham.
Eric this is not true Multi-Vendor all money goes to the administrator and not from buyer to seller…. still uses masspay
Graham, contact me admin@mysellerstores.com
Graham, I disagree that a centralized money collection is no true multi-vendor. It is and it is the only desirable method, if oen wants to achieve economy of scale and uniformity of communication. A ‘direct ‘buyer to seller’ would be like ‘loose sand’ and would not encourage anyone to set up such a mall as administrator. Amazon is set up with centralized money collection too and highly successful, as is Abebooks.
The one thing I do not know about IXXO, is if it offers a shared product catalog as well as a ‘per vendor catalog’. The minimum should be a share, again to offer true ‘economy of scale’ and ‘uniform presentation’..
Any multi vendor cat which does not understand that the administrator/owner needs to be offered various degrees of ‘control’ like that will fail and not get used nor sold.
In the end a true multi vendor mall needs to offer the ‘investor’ so owner, various degrees of control so he can select what level of control business model he wants.
The owner can then choose to give vendors (and also buyers) more or less freedom, depending on what his whole business plan can bear.
Ebay is an example of a marketplace where the business model changed over time from ‘very low control’ to ‘very tight control’.
Graham,
centrestores.com is not a multi vendor mall. It is just a store directory. Also, as a cart, it is many generations behind in current design and functional standards, very rudimentary, not attractive for any buyer nor seller.
No ‘marketing’ (I assume you mean ‘advertising’ with that term, a narrow definition which is not really the true scope of the much broader ‘marketing’ which includes the 5p’s, so price, product, promotion etc)
I believe in this thread we’re looking for something light years ahead of that type of site.
Peter
Peter,
I agree with you……
For me, it’s about having one code base and selling ecommerce sites to clients. That’s all I want. Not a mall or shared catalogs. Just simply a system where each store has it’s own look/feel with the only thing in common is a shared code base for ease of maintenance.
The reason? We have built 60 sites in the last 24 months all based on Joomla and what’s become a bear is keeping all those systems up-to-date. All we’re trying to do is lower maintenance costs by being able to update 1 core and everyone has the latest greatest stuff not to mention security updates in one fell swoop.
Everyone here is looking for something and that’s OK. The original thread kinda centered on what I mention above but everyone has different needs for different markets.
We have no shortage of customers wanting a powerful system but, they want it cheap and the only way to do that is to lower operational costs.
Ebay is not a store. It’s a big auction system with a lot of features added over the years. Social selling site is a better term for it these days.
We’re about to build from scratch a system to deploy and update Joomla sites on a large scale from an admin console to handle that piece. We just need a store that can do what IXXO blogs claim. Multistore with complete separation of each clients operations. Nothing shared.
Regards
Eric : Web-JIVE.com
Eric, considering yiur requirements, you’re probably not going to find what you seek through this thread. This is about true multi-vendor malls, not what is simply a ‘stand alone’ shopping cart with shared development costs.
Peter
Eric,
I’m sorry to have to say that you are wrong about Ebay.
Ebay is indeed a mall type of site, with predominantly ‘Buy Now’ products, and fewer auctions than ever before.
It is not a social networking site at all. Where did you get that?
By the way, no one is seeking a social networking mall, beyond having the option of having forums if possible. Such type of malls are usually not very successful as most professional sellers simply do not have time to ‘chat around’, which makes their products way too expensive due to teh chatting cost’ eroding their margins quickly.
Let’s focus on a decent usable affordable mall software first.
Peter
Graham,
PS
To append my unfinished phrase on centrestores.com:
‘No ‘marketing’ could fix what is amiss with that software.’
Peter
Let’s see, eBay has seller profiles, ratings, reviews, etc. What’s not social about it other than blogging and commenting on blogs?
It’s a combination of auction (with a buy it now and other features feature) and all the other features facilitating the review and recommendation processes.
Really.. I don’t know why this got off on that tangent. I think if you read FURTHER up in the posts, you will see where a few of us WERE discussing this type of a cart.
This comment has gotten so diluted, it’s hard to follow any more.
I am making a multi-store system and each store will have its own look and own admin as well as the main super admin will control all things…. not a mall but a multi-store single admin central system. and I am also making a social mall
http://theproductionarea.com/artlov_next/ and
http://theproductionarea.com/se/
now these are still being worked on but will be a complete true multi vendor system for all types but anyways…….
many new things coming
Despite ticking the email notification box, I did not know there were further comments here.
I have re-designed the static part of http://www.centrestores.com and it is nothing like it was on the 23rd.
When you walk into a B&M Mall, you are greeted with a board that displays all the shops in the mall – the store directory. That is exactly the same way my website works, and the way I wanted it to.
So yes, it is virtually an “Online Store Directory”, which was my intention. Once a store is created, customers of that store would then go straight to the URL of that store in future and not bother with the main website. The static website is really only a means to an end.
As far as CubeCart3 being ancient, it does the job and is free. My shop owners seem quite happy with the way they can configure options to suit their requirements.
I would love to have a top-of-the-line Mall, but I can’t afford the prices being charged. I’m obviously just a “country bumpkin” compared to others commenting here and will have to make do with what I have for the moment.
PS:
ALL the shops are hosted on centrestores.com , they are not just shops chosen at random.
This enables each shop to share the site SSL certificate and therefore the inherent benefits. They are actually part of the Mall.
Graham,
You state on your homepage that it is a true multi-vendor mall and really it is not it is simply a manual idea although a good one but manual none the less.
the idea here is to create a dynamic shopping portal of items and store display. not to mention manual install of the cube cart that any vendor can get for free on any hosted domain.
Anyways store directory is NOT a true multi-vendor solution just a link to a store
Thanks for the post
Rick,
neither is http://theproductionarea.com/se/ a true multi-vendor mall.
Making a social meeting place, with as an afterthought a tab for stores or a mall, i snot a mall. No serious vendor will join such a plaace as we are inti making money, not chitchatting.
Real malls immediately display the products and vendors and the chitchat, like forums are ‘secondary’.
True examples of true malls, true multi-vendor marketplaces that are in demand are:
http://www.netartmedia.net/mall/index.html
http://www.bcsengineering.com/store/catalog/Xcart_Pro_to_Xmall_conversion-p-71.html (the Normal version)
Peter,
So you know and if you see the site it is the production area and we are building mall modules into this so it will be a product share social system so just wait and see….
True multi vendor for netartmedia software is an ok system but lacks ease of use and really is limited unless you wish Aton (owner) of netartmedia to modify a design integration at a rate of well over $750.
Besides the last time he updated that site was in 2006 so he will maybe upgrade maybe not.
Xcart pro is also not true multi-vendor and payments goto the admin so trust me Peter I know what true multi-vendor is and since I do build them and have been able to create the id bridge that most cant I can take any of those software titles and make stores out of them so sellers get paid direct.
Although it is a damn good module for xcart and with a litle more work they can really make ti a very nice system if you wish to pay the price for it…..maybe for little over a grand or more it may be worth getting.
I never said that my social software was true multi-vendor but it sure will be soon….
Thanks for the info
X cart Pro
Cs Cart New version
Cubecart
os commerce
or any shopping system including magneto
Oh about the chit chatting comment….. just wanted to say I was not mean in anyway on my comment so this thread is a place to chat about such things so I do think that ALL chit chat as you call it is valuable and lets others make an informed buy.
And your wrong about the no one would goto sell on a social platform…… oh yes they will….
I have built and have been busy making social networks and portals for clients and no it may not be a perfect solution and your right, I would not sell in a social platform either but, alot of people would.
The designs can be interchangeable and easily controlled so I dont know why you made that comment, of course everyone wants to make money after all that is the idea.
It is also a personal choice on platforms/social systems/ mall or just store generators…… I think we should chit chat about all types and styles without making it seem like an argument
http://emall.theproductionarea.com/
I am just about done with this…..working on some display issues and addimg SMS and USPS modules in and it is done……
Thoughts please on what I should do to add remove or just be honest……..
Rick,
The latest http://emall.theproductionarea.com/index looks quite impressive, and it is nice that you highlight on the first page what is going to carry the ‘funding’ of teh site, being the ‘products’ and the ‘merchants’. That is indede what buyers seek first.
Haven’t looked at it entirely yet (quite a lot of work to do so), but just a few suggestions:
1) Switch the main page boxes around so that ‘featured products’ and ‘featured merchants’ appear highest (so at A1 location), without having to scroll down to see them. So they will be the first thing a buyer sees. A poll section or a news section is secondary in value for a buyer, so deserves a secondary location 9B location) in the limuted real estate on screen.
2) On ‘view product details’ pages consider:
a. Move Go To Buy button up so it is close to price and in direct line of sight of buyer. No buyer shoudl need to scroll to ‘Buy’. Any extra effort to navigation to purchase an item, is a hurdle for a buyer to buy and sellers prefer to have teh least of hurdles for buyers.
b. I’m not sure if the text ‘Go To Buy’ is as clear unambiguous as the more ‘decisive’ terms like ‘Buy Now’ or ‘Buy’ or ‘Purchase’ etc. It may confuse a buyer as it has similarities to ‘Go o Checkout’, so a buyer’s expectations may be ‘mixed’. Try not to create too much ‘new terminology’ on a site. It is best to use ‘expected’ terms. If a site owner wants to change it, maybe you should offer him the option to be able to customize himself some terminology, like a table where he can do that that way he can add his own ‘site personality’. that way.
3) On teh Serach:
a) The ‘Search’ does not seem to work. I tried entering Toyota, and item you have for sale, and there were no results.
4) On the line with options ‘ Home Products Groups Lists People ‘
This main group of options looks a bit lost and is hard to find for a user. Hierarchically it belongs at the top, since it is the most use ‘browsing navigation group’ and it may need a different location, color and background, maybe even different font to differentiate from the ‘products’. And, if displaying the bar line with ‘products’ I would highlight the ‘home’ tab from this group when showing the home page etc., showing the selected hierarchy, mayvbe using the same color of the secondary bar line.
Those were just a few random suggestions…
Peter
Peter,
Thanks for the suggestions let me explain a bit about this system:
The Seller has a choice of sending buyer to an affiliate linked store or add to own gateway in the system so the admin can charge a per click on the external and also charge per categories if wanted. so a Go to Buy was just quickly made.
The CMS features and social areas like people etc is not complete yes but will be…..you will understand that when you see final product.
The polls blocks are admin controlled and the admin can turn on and off from.
The search is not enabled until I target the search and filters….. I only have compare in at the moment and the footer links I am still creating areas for this.
Yes, I agree that the Add to cart needs to be closer and I will move it….. these mini stores are not done yet….. I just uploaded this last night and was sitting on my computer for a bit and I got tired of looking at it so I uploaded it.
I agree on Home button to be different color and I will move the Merchants block up and link it to there stores.
The details page is what it is details….. I am making the stores area so the seller will have a Products Table and the merchant info as well as feedback ratings polls groups and forums, contact details…..(site activity on newest products added etc.)
I am also adding slide menus because I made this to have unlimited sub cats so I want that to be targeted and be able to filter using drill downs and sub cat searches……working on this …..But it all works (except search and a few lingering bugs) and it is using smarty engine and I will be putting template switcher in place later.
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Are there any sites that is using the Interspire solution? Their demo is kinda lame and I’d like to see a better demo for myself…
Some time ago i have try probably “all” existing cms : GPL etc,. Than with no better choice end up using : drupal, wordpress or hand coded html as base for all sites.
As for commerce : try implementing google checkup.
Cheers to all…
VirtueMart is really good shopping cart easy to install and use. It’s very easy to switch to this application fm the shopping cart you curently use. Try web service called cart2cart – it automates migration fm your shopping cart to virtuemart (www.shopping-cart-migration.com)
Have you taken a look at Drupal & Ubercart? Both could do what you want and both are open source & free. Drupal will allow for multi-sites built off of 1 core load but it’s not recommended to do it on a shared server. http://drupal.org/node/53705 Ubercart is Drupal’s ecommerce plugin and it equals any top shopping cart platform out there. There is a plugin for Ubercart that does a marketplace but payment is not set up for individual store owners. You might want to take a look at this for what you want.
I reviewed the Drupal Ubercart Markeplace plug in.
there are only two or three sites using it and neither of them really uses the e-commerce part in any substantial way (or not at all). Thyat part is quite hiddeen.
The plug in is much more in use for as ‘social networking site’ and ‘directory/referral site’.
The front ends also look quite a bit dated.
Rick’s marketplace at http://emall.theproductionarea.com/ looks much better. If I had to choose, I would bet on him.
PS for Rick
Off late I have been seeing more marketplace software popping up with a ‘Make an Offer’ button (and the negotiating process behind it) like Rainworx, Ebay, Oztion, Bonanzle, Ruby Lane and PhpProBid (and many sites selling cars, travel, real estate, art , even an insurer (!) etc).
This functionality makes sense in a situation of a shaky economy like now, where prices are fluctuating and historical sales data may not be that helpful to price items. It is especially good to help sellers weed out ‘overpriced items’. same with novice sellers, who know too little of their market.
I can imagine for example that artists or photographers who want to sell their products and do not know what those unique items are worth, can thus negotiate a price with their buyer, instead of having their overpriced item sit unsold.
Thanks Peter
New update to that link above http://emall.phpmymall.com/
added Internal mail system, add to friends and import features….
http://phpmymall.com/artlov —still doing cleanup work
http://phpmymall.com/social —same as artlov but is is being updated (css)
http://mysellerstores.com/new_mall2/ —this is for client and still on it
http://mysellerstores.com/new_mall2/merchantstores/stores.php?sid=910 —this is same mall as above link but the sellers store.
Anyways coming up with solutions for malls and stores simply put have to be built somewhat custom. Design etc…. This is mostly what I have had requests for is the looks and the features need.
The links above are examples and by that means will be working here soon this is just to show everyone I have not stopped but have been busy.
Whats Next for ME:
Here is a small feature list:
Department Store Creator (mall integrated to create departments)
Multi-Stores for sellers —admin can assign any number of stores
Built in CMS
Advanced admin controls
Modular
Advanced Search filter system
Multi-image support
coupons
gift certificates
Product Events —timed product display controlled by admin/seller
Forums
Internal Message System
Product History (etsy like)
and more ……
Anyways this is more of me blabbing then an update so I am back to work now…….
I’m glad to see the idea becoming reality.
These are examples of features that I find very useful:
SUBDOMAINS: http://theblackaxe.bigcartel.com/
OR OWN DOMAIN: http://shop.boompa.ca/
SEF URLS FOR PRODUCTS: http://seraph.bigcartel.com/product/new-sketchbook-hair
DIRECT CHECKOUT WITHOUT REGISTERING, USING PAYPAL OR OTHER PAYMENT SYSTEMS
CATEGORIES: Will be created within each store according to the owners will, each store will be independent.
Rick,
Consider that these mall siet owners will need to offer aspiring store owners an import tool to import their inventory, usually from other sites.
So make sure you offer at minimum a full xml import (not just csv files, since the cell char content size has limitations then). With XML formats, one can also build automatic updating (maybe inventory synching?) around those, like from Ebay for example.
Same with importing a customer database and a store’s feedback from elsewhere.
Do not undeerestimate the importance of these imports. Marketplaces that do not offer it are pretty much failing, since the entry bar for sellers is too high then.
Peter
Please read the following comments and you’ll understand what SELLERS are looking for, these people use both BIGCARTEL AND ETSY:
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5609866&page=1
In my opinion the BEST multistore system will be a mix of BigCartel simplicity and the beauty of Etsy.
Regarding what Graham stated that the signup rate was not so good at http://www.centrestores.com, let me clarify this issue.
A multivendor solution works best for NICHE stores, people that have interests in common. ETSY for example is absolutely about CRAFTS.
If you just want to make a system for Multi Stores of anything in the world you start competing with Ebay and other giants. I don’t believe this is the purpose. A multi vendor solution will be more successful for groups of people that have interests in common, where they all can join together and offer those things.
It’s interesting to see that most stores on bigcartel sell “homemade” T-Shirts and CD’s, but there are books and products of all kinds. All sellers on bigcartel report that they are there because of the simplicity and ease of managing the inventory, some ETSY users even report that they prefer BigCartel over ETSY as far as managing inventory. Some people reported they don’t know HTML, they need simplicity.
Another important thing, but not necessary, is to have a descriptive domain, a great domain will do all the marketing you need, but good domains are gone today or very expensive.
Anyone who wants to create or manage a multivendor system should also read this insightful article about BigCartel. In November 2007 they had 12.000 stores. How many stores do they have today?
http://www.ecommerce-guide.com/essentials/paypal/article.php/3713671
BigCartel.com success hasn’t happened by chance. As you read the article above you’ll notice that they think like sellers, this is BigCartel Key strategy: Keep it simple. Other keywords: easy maintenance that wouldn’t cost too much.
Domain and Sub domain feature already present in our script creates a separate website for store owners which they can browse via there personal domain or sub domain examples:
http://preprejects.uaekarobar.com/
http://mysllers.uaekarobar.com/
http://eis.uaekarobar.com/
Every registered has their own WebPages which they also can amend from their control panels. Complete template customization support provided in store control panel.
I came across the PRE MULTI-VENDOR E-COMMERCE SOLUTION about 6 months ago when I posted about it . I can see right now that the program has evoluted and it looks really nice. Looking at all the features available, I believe the preprojects.com MULTI-VENDOR E-COMMERCE SOLUTION comes closer to what we all have been looking for than any other program in the market. But I would like to see SEF URLS for products instead of detail.php?prodid=686&x=43&y=4 and direct checkout with PayPal or other payment systems without the need of registering and login like bigcartel style.
Ricardo,
The preproject.com product is a very basic rudimentary software. Many other products mentioned here beat it hands down, especially Rick’s product, but even the X-cart pro/X-mall is preferrable with much more functionality..
It misses true product variants that one can price separately per variant.
Additionally it has no Advanced Search, nor Internal mail.
The product category levels area also limited only to two levels.
Stores cannot be displayed on the home page (there is only a ‘stores tab at top).
It also seems that the programmer lacks fluebcy in English, so teh English version has spelling errors.
And, last but noit least, the software seller hides behind his web site, so there are no names of persons and contact details. I do suspect he is a software developer in Dubai or UAE though. Not a right formula when one wants to know whom one is dealing with, especially when a site owner has the responsibility over a major site, That site owner needs adequate transparant support when his site grows to a substantial number of users, some dependent for their income on a properly functioning site..
PS
The petprojects site lists in small print an Australian address, but it is probably just a mail box address, when you look that up it is the same address of hostnomi.com, a hosting company that has a phone number (0097150 962 57 62) in Dubai.The ‘uae’ of uaekarobar.com also points to that.
PS 2 on preprojects.com
Also note that the preprojects products have been reported to have various security vulnerabilities on various security sites, including at http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/32126
Nothing personal against ‘pre’ but there are just too many business related flags to feel comfortable with those products.
I have to agree with you Peter. It’s always a risk to start a project that eventually will lack the support needed. I already had this problem with other projects that got stuck because the developer disappeared. But I did business several times with developers in India that are very professional and responsible. If you go to scriptlance you will find a couple of people looking for a bigcartel clone, and most responses come from developers in India: https://www.scriptlance.com/cgi-bin/freelancers/project.cgi?id=1237488224&order=days%20ASC
CandeoTech is a company in India known to have developed Sedo.com, I don’t know to what extent, but Sedo.com is more complex or equal to a bigcartel system. https://www.scriptlance.com/cgi-bin/freelancers/freelancers.cgi?viewprofile=candeo Using India developers, with some $3000-4000, you can have a system similar to bigcartel or etsy of your own. At least it seems like this is true… Prices differ a lot among programmers.
Ricardo,
My experience with trying to develop software through variosu Indian companies was different.
The two weaknesses that made me go back to US developers are:
- Most Indian programmers do not speak English very well, although they think they do. Just being able to pronounce English words does not mean they understand the fine details of a language, and more importantly, the differences in culture.
Although there are exceptions many American developers are 1000s of miles ahead of Indian developers. Here they are (still) fast, conceptual thinkers, independent and creative, over there I had to deal with lack of urgency, lack of conceptual thinking, need for me to spell out every single detail, even have me tell how things need to be done and there was lots of burocracy. And that is beyond the fact that they did not understand all our English lingo. I had to spend 10 times as much time on the Indians then on the Americans.
On top of that I cannot hold them liable for anything, since they and their assets are beyond the reach of US law.
Outsourcing to foreigners is overrated in my opinion. If at all, try Europeans. There are quite some creative thinkers there, despite their socialist governments..
Well, I know what you are talking about. Everything you said is true. But Bill Gates loves the developers from India and they can do a great job too. But that’s not the point. I just can’t wait to grab my copy of a bigcartel-etsy like, multi store, online mall, whatever system! I need it fast and I hope it will be available soon!!
Just for your information: try to download the “multishop090201_v23_free.zip” (or a newer version) from the chinese project shopNC. http://multishop.shopnc.net/
Although the site itself is in chinese, the codebase is in english, I checked it out a while ago. If you can’t find it, feel free to contact me, I can mail it to you maybe.
Greetings and good luck.
This information I got in this site will surely make so handy to concern problem I wonder If I will tell my friends this site of yours,.,
I find it really interesting how most conversations on this page go off into the deep of social/multi-site integration. But what REALLY us important right now is addressing the free or affordable need for a bug-free API integrations from shipping carriers such as UPS, FedEx & USPS, for products that we can get live quotes from, especially for zones of where these products are actually located (multi vendor in many ways means multi locations).
This whole multi-store thing can easily be a big cover up for whats really important guys. you can create a multi-store with oscommerce if you really wanted to. But building a multivendor store, having products that can be quoted from several zip codes because they may be located in different parts of north america, also checking your backorder status on not just your main products in your cart but also your cross-sell products, your option products is huge!!!!! Then reporting all that on your invoices and po’s. I can’t seem to find annnnnnnyyyy CRM tools that advertise this. I’m just waiting too.
If you run across something – please let me know.
has anyone found a crm tool that actually enables certain products to be free shipped only if the total of the order is at a certain amount?
An example is a buyer who is interested in a remote but also likes the big lcd screen for his living room and buys both. total comes out to $400.00 buckos – i promised the buyer free ship with orders over $100 with the exception of freight items.
that would be awesome to find a system that does this!
This may not do everything I want it to do personaly, but man – it looks like it a great integration product, which is one of the more popular solutions these days. Its just tough finding one thing that does it all.
The latest stable version of oscMAX (http://www.oscmax.com/) integrated with ECC (http://www.webgility.com/quickbooks-integration-oscmax.php) could probably pack a good punch for store owners who care more about reliable shipping, tracking and vendor management of their various products.
Let me know what you think!
-k
@Laurens,
I actually did some time ago but I can’t find the English language file. Did you find it?
If so, could you please post the URL here for all of us.
I believe this product fulfills 90% of my needs.
Thanks in advance!
I have been quietly working on a sister site to http://www.centretores.com and decided to use PHPProbid as my platform.
I have hacked it to pieces and set it up to work as a Multi Vendor Mall.
It seems to work exactly as I planned it to and is very stable. Of course it’s not something you could sell off the shelf as software, but it suits me – and my budget.
If you’re interested, you can see it at http://www.goaussiego.com
Graham
Graham,
What do you mean by ‘hacked PHPProBid to pieces’?
I looked at your site build with PHPProBid and it looks virtually identical to the original PHPProBid I know, which is already a multi-vendor mall at its core.
Not sure what you ‘added’. Can you elaborate?
Peter
probid is nothing like a multi-vendor it is auction based and although looks good the core idea here is an ebay style system….plain and simple.
look if everyone gives me just a little more time I have several updates on the way….for a new idea so please sit tight and wait one week and I will have a new system that blends all my others into one…. using a new idea of category type and id structure.
I have to diasgree with anyone saying that PHPProBid is no multi-vendor.
That software has been around a long time (V6 now) and is used a lot by site owners wanting to bring together buyers and sellers in a marketplace.
Of course they also offer auction, but additionally they offer Buy Nows and Make An Offers and a lot more. Every seller can have his own store there.
It is so good that many developers are trying to hijack their design.
The problem is it is still auction based and the multi-vendor buy now….ok that is in there but try to remove the auctions from store listings to get only a store…..without the make an offer etc….
Good software but still an auction epay style……who would steal design from them……not me I think it looks good for a auction based site.
By its very nature all auction sites are multi-vendor but main functions of it are what they are…… Auctions
I have just read this entire conversation, hoping to get to the end and find a conclusion or an answer to the original post. I am amazed that there is none….
I noticed that xcart pro has been discussed quite a few times as a good option. To me they look very professional, with support and all the functions required. Is there a reason that they are not being used as the required multi vendor mall, or is it mainly the cost?
Has anyone ever done a recent review of all the systems available?
FYI – I am a startup searching for a multi vendor program to launch my etsy style mall
“I have just read this entire conversation, hoping to get to the end and find a conclusion or an answer to the original post. I am amazed that there is none….”
I guess this is why this post is titled “The elusive Opensource E-Commerce Holy Grail: Multi-Site, Multi-Store”
Hello,
If you want etsy….. contact me
I appreciate your coment Martin, I can see that it is a Holy Grail of ecommerce….But who is closest to that Grail at this point? Surely there is a standout….
As to the “Holy Grail’, I believe this thread shows that many of us have a different definition what that Holy Grail is, since we have different requirements.
As to PHPProBid and similar (auction based design), I’m not sure I should see any problem in the minor difference of the software having a ‘limited duration’ aspect. That part can be restricted or wholly incapacitated by setting that field to ‘Good Till Cancelled’ (the equivalent of a regular store’s ‘indefinite availability’ as Ebay figured out.
Awesome project, Mel! Wow! I love your idea with new use of digi-images! Thank you for sharing tutorial, templates and your wonderful inspiration! more templates easy to download
hello hello,
has anyone tried drupal & ubercart marketplace or joomla & jmarket ( http://www.ijoobi.com/applications/jstore/ecommerce.html)?
Well here is our latest update to the mall system in place and I am just adding some more details to this mall I am making and as you can see it is underway. Have a look at this and if anyone wants to make comments please do so…..
This mall I made will have a ton of features being added this week and again it is the newest and is what we think will be cool. The mall supports Departments as well as stores…. the cool thing here is the way it works.
Departments will allow admin to create one for special areas like one day one deal sails as well as event products. this will allow the admin to let sellers place products into this department as well as in own stores.
Admin can assign any number of stores to a seller based on packages and single login account.
The sellers admin will reflect all there stores created and they can manage all the stores they have from one location
here is a set of links to test:
http://craftstorez.com/newmall/sellers
username is mysellers and password is rthere
main Admin is http://craftstorez.com/newmall/admin
username is admin and pass is admin
This is just a look so you can all see where we are headed with this. We are also adding more designs and templates as well as modules.
Let me know what you all think……there are some workflow issues and we are aware of these as well as some minor css issues……but it will be addressed
http://craftstorez.com
This is amazing… will you provide this package for free? Maybe you should turn your project into an open source project so that other programmers can extend the functionality. You would definitely beat magento and prestashop’s popularity if you provided this functionality for free.
I can’t wait to see it all grow up and mature!
Laurens,
Thanks for the comments and today and tomorrow I am adding the Internal Message system and dashboard…..then site global categories will be activated within 24-48 hrs so really keep an eye on this as we add all the modules in…..will be amazing
As far as open source goes….I may think about this later the issue is I spent $$ on this and need to get it back……I dont expect to sell this for a great deal of money but the coding is sooooo complex but hey we shall see
Thanks again……and I would love to give you a copy when i am done
Laurens, you seem to be under some misunderstanding here. Rick runs http://mysellerstores.com/ which *sells* software. They don’t give it away like Source Forge or Open Source CMS.
The original point of this thread, “The Elusive Opensource E-Commerce Holy Grail: Multi-Site, Multi-Store” is still that – elusive.
There does not seem to be an opensource solution that actually works.
Most of us have had to modify existing free stuff to get it to suit our needs. I use Cube Cart Version 3, which is free, for http://www.centrestores.com and phpprobid, which is only $160 for http://www.goaussiego.com
Both sites needed many, many hours of work to convert them to a Mall. I have been in hospital for two weeks and am only starting to get back to them. They work, but I’m still waiting for that elusive free script.
But the need is known out there and it will only be a matter of time. I predict there will be one before this year ends.
Graham
Graham
She is not mis-understanding a thing…. she suggested I make this open source and your site is not true multi-vendor it is simply a manual way to make a mall. Although nice but in commercial working site not practical if you have 100′s of sign ups.
yes the stores are separate but this is not a mall….
It is no secrete that I sell the software because of the complexity…..I have put many sleepless nights into the malls and I designed every part.
Unless your a programmer gram that knows how to create the multi-vendor bridge and id structure you will have to either pay or do it yourself. I choose to do it myself.
No, I don’t think she is confused at all
Rick
Rick,
Laurens was excited because she liked your software. She also thought it would be free and hoped it would become public open source.
Again I say, the solution to the original problem is still elusive.
I only used my sites as examples of how people have to currently use workarounds to try to achieve what we are all looking for.
This thread is degenerating into an ad for your software and is no longer addressing the real problem.
I am unsubscribing from the thread and will wait for a suitable opensource product to become available.
I always love a good clean up round in ‘boardies’!
As a businessman, I prefer to work with those we actually realize plans instead of just talking about them.
I have only so much time to wait for ‘dreams’.
Keep it going Rick!
Peter
Graham
If you noticed I offered her a copy for the asking so no i am not advertising and yes elusive is the software not being open source so this means until there is…… You are also selling subscriptions to your members to open a store so it is no different then what I am doing here.
Ask yourself, do you offer stores for your site members and do you charge….. yes you do….
There is NO open source mall system that is any good and I am not bragging but we DID figure out not only multi-stores, multi vendor but this x 10 with out Department generator as well so not only can you open unlimited stores per seller, but the admin can create specialized departments for any reason.
The logic it takes to make this all work is advanced and takes alot of trial and error and I have spent well over a year on this thread to try to make it…….and i did and it works well.
The demos are working areas (production areas) and simply put it is for anyone who wants to see progress. But I dont see anyone other then you and I trying to make a solution people can see.
I dont think you should stop and get off this thread, I want you to stay and reply to others as I am……If you want to work with me, I will help you create solution by blending your ideas to our software.
I will even give you a copy to play with and look at the coding. You may not understand it but I am offering to you to stay here and not get upset. We are all here for the same reason.
Peter,
Thanks and I most certainly will my friend as you can see since I came to this thread, I have made 4 malls social and general as well as advanced and will continue.
email me peter
Rick
One more note on Peters comment:
You are right we can all sit here and wait or do something about it…..I am doing something about it and as you can see it is moving along well.
My partner and I are going as fast as we can to get it done but it is complex and not exactly the easiest to build. We have figured out the multi part and now we are creating logic for payment and rental system. then release.
So if it is at a small expense to some….it is because I have spent 100′s of hours and paid for some work I openly admit to some areas I have no time for. so ALL work is done in USA and not India or Pakistan however I get emails from them all the time.
Why? Because they want to be in on this so they know how to make it for their clients. I simply turn it down. Nothing against anyone from anywhere it is just I have my own logic and I don’t need to explain and teach anyone as this takes to much time from my work.
Anyways Dont leave Gram just stay and let me know what I can do to help you if anything
Rick,
Thanks for offering me a copy. It’s very much appreciated! If you add an internationalisation feature, I’d be glad to provide you with the Dutch translations for the software in exchange for your kindness. You can always mail me if you want to contact me when you want me to take a test-drive.
Sure goto my site and give me your email address and we can discuss this….
thanks
I once heard: If you want to compete don’t even start if you can’t offer a superior service. The big players are ETSY.com and BIGCARTEL.com. BIGCARTEL has been QUIETLY making a fortune since 2005. Unlike Ebay and others, they don’t brag about their success! They rarely talk about their stats. In October 2007 bigcartel had 10.000 stores. I presume bigcartel has now over 50.000 stores. I wouldn’t bother having to pay for a program similar to bigcartel.com, I know that profit will come! I don’t worry about the solution being open source, it doesn’t matter at all. But pay attention to what SELLERS are talking about bigcartel.com, this is what they like, this is what they are willing to pay for. If you don’t listen to them you will FAIL miserably. Rick and others working on a solution, please take note!
(Special comments extracted from http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5888308&page=1 )
1 – “If you are interested in branding your own business and not Etsy, I think that Bigcartel is great.”
So after that first $20 you keep everything (or the first $10 if you get the 25 item shop)… other than paypal fees. THEY ABSOLUTELY DON’T HAVE TO REGISTER TO BUY THINGS. That’s another nice thing. 
”
2 – “I love bigcartel. All of my recent sales have been on bigcartel (about 1 sale a day for the last week, which is great for me).”
3 – “Bigcartel is GREAT… it’s SO easy to add new products to your shop, one item can be in multiple categories (So my T-45 christmas cards are in T-45 stationery and holiday cards), uploading photos is so fast (and you can select all 5 photos at once instead of having to do them 1 at a time), your shop is customizable so it can look good, you’re not linked directly to your competitors, and you can make coupon codes (though those are only limited to % off entire transactions).
There is also a limited statistics panel, though you can add google analytics to get detailed information.”
4 – “If I get a bigcartel I’m thinking of getting a domain and directing it there.”
5 – “I’m totally happy… no listing fees, no sales commissions.
6 – “It looks nice, but I wish one could have more items (on bigcartel). I have over 500 on Ebay, and over 400 here (on etsy). I need MORE space!”
7 – “I love it so far, just have to switch my advertising out in the internet to my own site instead of Etsy now.”
8 – “I haven’t thought much about big cartel, but hearing that you can upload a bunch of photos at once and can track stats with google analytics on the page has piqued my interest. These are both features I wish etsy had.”
9 – “I was just checking out bigcartel and it doesn’t seem like there is any way to search for items. So do you have to know exactly the shop you are looking for or just randomly click on shop names on the shops page?”
10 – “Bicartel its not like etsy. Everything is separate. It would be like if you got your own website, youd have to draw your own audience to your page yourself, with no ohers around you.”
11 – “I’m liking 1000markets.com – it’s still in beta, but free to list, bulk photo upload, and unlimited categorization.”
12 – “I’ve had a bigcartel shopping cart for over a year and i think a lot of people are confused on what bigcartel is about. it’s not a marketplace and community like etsy, it’s just a shopping cart that you pay for like any other shopping cart. there are no listing or selling fees because they are not promoting you or doing anything like that. they are simply hosting a shopping cart for you. think of them as a zencart or something similar. it’s just a shopping cart.
I love it because it’s very user friendly and professional looking and it’s very fast to add new products. i have the $20 cart and i like it a lot. i link to it from my main website http://poisonapplenyc.com when people click on my “shop” icon it takes them to my bigcartel store. that’s it. if i don’t promote my website bigcartel does not bring me any sales…it’s just a shopping cart. http://poisonapple.bigcartel.com/ ”
13 – “I tried godaddy.com i think it was called and it was too complicated for me to understand. and for a while i just built my own shopping cart into my website by creating a new page for each item and adding the paypal buttons but that took me forever to add a few items that way. it looked okay on the outside, nobody could tell that i didn’t have a real shopping cart because of the way i built it but it was just wayyyy too time consuming. bigcartel has been the easiest way for me to have a shop.”
14 – “Google does crawl bigcartel sites… and there is a way to get your stuff added to google’s shopping search (just like there is a way to do it on etsy).”
15 – “Big Cartel is great! I use it and get more sales there than Etsy: http://sewbettie.bigcartel.com/ ”
16 – “I have a site on BigCartel. I decided to bring everything under one name, so I opened this new shop on Etsy to replace my other ones. I love the ease of BigCartel and the clean professional look.”
17 – “I LOVE bigcartel, but I think that Etsy is great for sellers without as much inventory to first get a feel for the market place. Big Cartel pretty much requires that you have your own established ways of promoting your store. On top of that, it’s not THAT customizable, although definitely eons more than Etsy is(I don’t actually want Etsy to be customizable).”
18 – “I love your bigcartel store!! The colors look awesome!” (strangelittlebear.bigcartel.com)
19 – “If you are interested in branding your own business and not Etsy, I think that Bigcartel is great. I am actually in the process of building a shop there for one of our clients. It is a great start for someone who wants an ecommerce website. Your customers aren’t required to create an account like they are here.”
20 – “Definitely something to consider. I am looking at doing an e-commerce store. But the this seems very nice. Go Guys!”
Thanks Ricardo,
I will take note but remember the fees are made and assigned by admin or owners…..I can easily make a bigartel clone in a matter of days with almost all the features but again. I am only with myself and other partner funding this entire project we are under taking.
I will make one bigcartel style and will show you within two weeks,
But your right this is a popular and good market to hit. I would like to have you email me direct and lets chat on your needs and we will build it
Thanks
Rick
Updated this mall and will have two versions
Separated Stores Version and
Integrated Stores Version
I have to make the global category logic as well as put controls in for packages and rental system but will have this mall done I hope within a week….it is in Alpha now thoughts and suggestions are always welcome. Please post it here and be honest about things.
http://phpmymall.com/nMall/
FINALLY people are waking up to the idea of Multi Vendor Shopping Carts. We’ve been talking about it for almost 3 years now! They are calling it “team play” or “mini plazas.” Article here: http://www.articlesbase.com/internet-articles/multi-vendor-shopping-cart-software-a-business-model-1163918.html
http://www.webgenie.com/ is a new multi vendor shopping cart and it’s expensive $1495. The following example shows a community of artists in Montana using webgenie software: http://www.ourmontanamarket.com/catalog/index.php
It’s not like bigcartel, but it’s getting close. The software works with Joomla, and that’s a good point, I like Joomla very much. But it tends to be more like ETSY. Sellers cannot customize themes, there are no subdomains, buyers have to sign up in order to checkout (bad in my opinion) I prefer direct checkout like bigcartel, it has Search Engine Friendly URLS, which is good. I hope Rick will be able to build something better. I think Bigcartel.com is the perfect example, there’s no need to reinvent the wheel!
Nope single cart solution so the admin gets paid 1st.
Only ebay has the ability to split the payments from buyer to seller from multi vendors.
Joomla based….no problem but the sellers still get paid from admin and not direct payment from buyers.
Unless I am missing something
Coming Soon!
http://createmymall.com/AllStores/index.html
will show this mall soon!
nice link! the visuals look great
Rick,
Looks nice.
Wish it were functional as this is only screne shot.
Not that I want to rush you, but your window of opportunity is getting awfulloy small for this year.
Retailers need to start ramping up stores in September/October for teh Xmas season, when 50-75% of their annual sales are made. If they miss the Xmas sales, they will not be interested in joining a mall until well into next year.
By the way, consider helping them accelerate their migration to such a mall by including an import utilyty for direct imports from major sites like Ebay. The best import scripts I have seen for php, are te ones used by easystorehosting.com and ekmpowershop.com, both excelling in including the important full long description field content in their imports.
Without any import, no seller will join and a marketplace/plaza/e-mall site is doomed at conception. Sellers simply d not want to spend a lot of time and money on the migration, so it has to be ‘low entry’. That has become apparent already with sites like Wigix and Silkfair. Wigix took 2 years to finally bring an import tool. Traffic was abysmal for them before they did so and they are still struggling. Bonanzle.com is successful because they had import tools from day one.
Peter
http://www.createmymall.com/MallHome/index.html
yes I agree and I will make a utility that will integrate ebay items into the stores….somehow
Rick
papyria
I agree the window is closing fast but the thing is I am doing this on a single budget and my two guys and myself are moving as fast as we can within budget.
I am going to speed this up as far as release and integration
I have updated the new mall design http://createmymall.com/MallHome/index.html
This new concept is part social and part mall and this means that we use the share system part of the social aspects with seller profiling. Thisis not meant to be a social mall but a sellers product share system as well as video/audio commercials for products. You will see what I mean when I get to this areas.
Imagine uploading video commercials that streams across the network.
Also url for SEO will be seller.domain.com for each signup
Those who dont want social aspects will have an on off switch in admin to use mall only or use social features. so it is a choice.
Any questions I will be happy to reply to
Rick,
If you need help to relieve your load (with specs or with testing,) let me know. I’ll be happy to help, having had broad experience as software localization lead and also as tester.
Although our business always comes first, I can see how such a time investment may be worthwhile to help our business grow.
Peter
Rick and others,
For the ‘social’ component of the shopping mall, you may want to also consider making it a place to seek ‘entertainment’, like swoopoo.com does.
Entertainment in combination with shopping will be the next wave of the future, like it is already with b+m stores like Jordan’s furniture, Apple, Barnes & Noble, Amazon etc.
It increases ‘user stickiness’ a lot, which is the number 1 requirement for a shop owner.
I love the idea of Rick of offering the use of streaming video’s (fits the ‘entertainment’ requirement), so a sort of YouTube combined with shopping. Maybe you can look at dealitlive.com for an example how that would work with sellers with video listings. I hope the video part will also be combined with the members themselves, not just the products, so a member can show a video about his shop or his collection, or just simply publish a lecture on his favorite subject. Make sure that the admins can remove or park such videos if they are not appropriate in some way.
Also, make sure to test performance. Videos consume a lot of bandwidth and other resources and may slow down a site. So a social e-mall owner will need some data on what is required for hardware to keep that functionality running.
Advice to future shopping mall owners implemnenting the ‘entertaining shopping mall’: Avoid trying to be a ‘jack of all trades’ so offering all possible products like bay or Amazon. Specialize instead on products and/or services that you are very knowldedgeable in and that you can get sellers ande buyers for, the socalled ‘niche mall’. The big guys cannot compete with that approach. Their ‘inventory’ is wide but not deep. Yours can be much deeper, just not wide.
Peter
The video idea will work like this:
A seller can upload or drop youtube code (choice) and yes they can upload video as well as drop code from video share networks.
the streaming will be there if needed and if mall buyers want a more expensive host like FMS as well as can use content suppliers.
This will be a feature to watch grow….so each seller will be allowed (with admin permission and monitor) to upload videos they make with cams/video sources etc…and simply upload and or drop embed codes.
Eventually I am adding a Video on demand and music on demand but will wait until released 1st
Thanks for the advice i will look and consider
Everyone will want something from this so is there a way to halt the development and release a stable working version and then continue development of new features. I’d be concerned that development may never end at this rate.
Thanks
Ian
I see your point but maybe you want to put some funds into this so I can release it now…
I would love to release this and continue but it is expensive and complex as well as getting everyone’s input and suggestions. There is no one system that will make everyone happy.
I will release this in about 5-10 days EST
And your right about development will never stop on this unless I run out of money. So unless you wish to donate to the cause, I will release when I can but it seems I am the only one in the thread to be making one and getting to market.
So I think instead of talking about it…..I would rather make it a real deal project and not just discuss what feature is best for all…..
I am working on three:
http://createmymall.com/newmall
http://phpmymall.com/nMall
http://emall.phpmymall.com
and the new mall with new design and admins is two weeks out… I hope
Hi Rick.
Fair points and I just need to understand what I would get if I do donate so maybe you could contact me offline or I’ll email you. Whats the best email to get you at. In addition I would be willing to test it to a degree.
I’m based in Ireland so my take is obviously a european feel in terms of Euro and Vat instead of Dollar and Sales Tax but would be willing to pay for tweaks if you are interested. I’m currently looking at 2 other scripts so would be willing to move on this pretty quickly.
My requirements would be simple enough and dont want to have this get over complicated as it needs to be something a non tech end user can actually use. People like us want everything under the sun to accommodate every type of request but in the end people only use a certain amount of the functionality anyway or its becomes some feature rich people dont use it as it becomes too complicated.
My suggestion if you havent already guessed is to product a basic framework that works and then everything else would be modules. That way people get what they need and only pay accordingly but you as the ownder would in fact make more and more people are likely to buy at a lower cost for the base product and modules when added together have the potential to produce more income that what the fully featured script may have cost.
So I awit the email address
Regards
Actually missed the links. 3 versions? I cant openly see what the difference is between them but trying to develop 3 versions seems crazy unless I missed something but feel free to correct me.
Regards
Ian
Three versions just means features and looks are different and getting the perfect combination of modules…..so you missed nothing…
email me admin@phpmymall.com
two other scripts….good luck with that…
Rick
http://createmymall.com
Full integration has begun……not all areas yet but this week it will be done…..
thoughts anyone???
Hello everyone…. here is my new mall info site http://mysellersmall.com
We are moving along now with final list so mall is at about 90% now so if anyone wants to join my site (not mall) my wordpress site then feel free…. Does anyone have any mall questions? let me know
Rick
estimated shipping quotes per product from various warehouse locations since many products of the same mall store DO NOT come from the same warehouse?
Well I can add this but I am focusing on getting a fully running start to this whole process. i think the etsy style shipping is easy for the seller, less expensive for the buyer of the mall as well as speeds up building this mall.
This week I hope to have a full run so by Sat Sun maybe we can all finally see a working custom mall.
Beautiful work so far! It’ll definitely pay off Rick. Feature list is already a giant.
lol, sorry rick but ur code is weak and you really should overdo security concerns …. there are big leaks atm in your demo.
concerning multiseller_supports, in 3/4 months Est you can have it in a stable, secure and trusted shoppingmall called magento. and yes we are releasing that opensource. rick – it’s funny you are telling that handling a payment splitting automaticly in one-main-process can not be done b’cause that’s what we just finished implementing 1 month ago ->customer pays to mallowner who repays seller with substraction of commission – all done without manual interaction.
Testing phase for our release will start in 2 month for a closed group (sponsors). If everything stays as expected, release will be in an additional or 2 months.
Yes, it is free and OS, Yes the styling (for each shop) is divided and can easily be customized by uploading background and setting predefined simple values like colors, Yes it’s SEF friendly and takes automaticly SEO tags from the product description, Yes it’s very easy for the sellers to get a store with 10 products running in 3minutes, No we dont have (yet) an official website or forum for our development but in 2 months we will start reporting at magento forums. Yes, there are core developers involved.
Plz rick overdo the code (which btw i know where you copied the scelet) and try at least to get your customers a secure system. ATM you have not only 1 or 2 security issues but more of them. hope you get it fixxed and inform your customers about that.
Cheers,
Malvin
Malvin,
Those are serious accusations towards Rick.
Do you have any specific proof?
And why do you publish the accusations anonymously if you are so certain of their truth?
Peter
hi Peter,
Sorry but i just googled this thread by researching the need for an opensource multi-seller ecommerce solution. I dont intend to stay at this thread for a longterm discussion nor will I be active at avalon5.
I only checked the demo of rick’s approach and according to my principals as a developer i had to speak out the security issues. Actually the intrusions can be done by multiple ways at his system so it would be dropping water into the sea by focusing on one detail. The actual state of security seems to be lacking even lot of BASIC security prevention barriers in PHP which is not my task to teach a commercial developer.
I have no advantage if you believe in my ability to judge coding nor do i want to convince you nor anyone else. The only thing i wanted was to speak out the huge security issues by using the system of rick … the dealing with this is left to the developer and his customers.
Best regards and a nice day,
Malvin
Cuzzon
1st off I dont know you and you dont have the code so you do not know the approach we take. Sounds like you have a problem and why dont you make one so all of us can see your approach. Oh maybe because you cant
This Cuzzon comments are not worth the attention
Cuzzon
by the way why not try to attack the software and see…..go ahead and test your injections if you can…..sounds like we have another hater here……..
A commercial developer well….make one then and stop thinking
He publishes this way Peter because he has no idea and no he has no proof.
Thanks for asking the question about his post
Cuzzon said:
one-main-process can not be done b’cause that’s what we just finished implementing 1 month ago ->customer pays to mallowner who repays seller with substraction of commission – all done without manual interaction.
I Say:
this is not the way multi-vendor is to work.. buyers should pay seller not pay admin and then pay seller. but I am sure you knew that Cuzzon right??
hi guys
i want to only set thing clear cause this is my last post here. I am not a hater Rick and you should better focus on trying to fix your product instead of trying to miscredit someone who has no bad intention here. that’s just pathetic.
regarding the intrusions just wait for the script kiddies and your product opens all door for them(nmap, nessus). if you would be developing advanced software since years you would have educated yourself regarding security issues like we have by developing magento.
Obviously you have no clue what i talk about … Also your statement that it would not be possible to integrate auto paypal (buyer-mallowner-seller, which we will let the mallowner chose) transaction shows that you are not even capable to handle a deeper approach of coding. I would never ever advise someone to buy a product from such a guy.
I feel sorry if i see so called developers like you rich who prefer to miscredit serious and intented-to-be-positive feedback instead of trying to fix the issues.
Yes I feel sorry for your customers cause you react not in the right way you should if a serious concern about security is arised. I can predict that you will now try to convince people to believe you cause you prefer to invest your time in marketing instead of fixing your open-to-target script. i have seen people like you lot of time and all of them have vanished sooner or later letting their customers stand alone in the dark and with no perspective.
That’s it for me here.
My advise for the clients: stay away from this script
My advise for rick: learn Php and injection management, then try again
Who is this guy??
Your feedback did not come with any proof nor did it come with examples so until you can prove this your the one who is trying to dis-credit me so with that said….you have an issue that could of been emailed to me if you were trying to be constructive.
Still posting this stuff about me or my scripts without valid reason because you dont have the code and you sit here trying hard to put me on the defense and thats ok. I welcome your post as well as I will take you advise and for that:
I have not only joined http://www.gamasec.com/ and there consulting service but will have a third party look into this so it is a true statement.
I will post the results here and on my site. If any security holes are found. I will address.
the only way paypal will allow a single multi seller checkout process is on paypal. You can create a masspay api from paypal to work but pay fees for payouts as well as for getting payments.
Money from buyers need to go direct to seller and admin only taking a fee without a payout cost. Most mall owners dont want to have to handle payouts to there sellers.
Thanks again for your posts Cuzzon but I thought you were not going to follow this thread….welcome non the less
Rick,
If I were you I would ask the wordpress site owner to remove this Cuzzon guy.
he is clearly of bad faith.
I never heard of any developer before who tries to attack a fellow developer in public with zero proof and anonymously. That is simply unethical.
As a potential customer, I’m perfectly aware of my responsibility to test for security issues, and I do not need a loose cannon without moral standards to tell me so. In fact, Cuzzon would be the last person on earth I would ask for advice as he has shown here that he lacks honesty.
What a creep.
Does anyone know how to trace him? I’m sure he will stop this slander once his identity is know.
Peter
Well yes he was not nice but you know I dont want his comment erased it is ok to voice out. I am firm on this and I do value all opinions as I want people to be informed to make a good purchase.
However he could take different approach but as far as that he is correct about making it secure and we know we are so thats not a problem.
I am part of the gamasec team and I will be happy to show results as well as pay for piece of mind in case there is a time i need to show proof.
No I think we should leave the post as i hide nothing and thanks for the post from you as well.
http://www.mallproduction.com/
anyone who asks for a copy of this mall to help develop I will give a free copy to….
I will give only 3 copies full source + updates…..
yepp ill take a copy …
and have you thought about adding my script yet?
if it supports online shops sure I would love to see about making a special area for your company.
email me admin@mysellerstores.com
rick, can i have a copy tooo, been following this story till my eyes hurt, cheers
Hi Rick,
I’d take a copy too and have it worked on. My email is ianmcguinness2008 @ gmail.com
As you know I am keep to purchase a script like this.
Regards
Ian
Hi, I have been researching for a long time trying to find a solution that will do the same thing as Amazon Marketplace or Buy.com. But I have yet to find a good answer. So my question is:
What is the best solution? Magneto, X-cart,Iscripts, or Rick’s solution?
Thanks in advance!
Kenneth,
The answer to your question depends what budget you have and what functionality you need and what your deadline is.
This thread shows various existing options and their pluses and minuses. In general I would say that either the solutions are incomplete, very expensive or not ‘web 2.0′ or they require a lot of addons or they require a lot of technical skills. There is no comprehensive ‘out of the box’ solution available..
As to Rick’s solution, I reserve an opinion for that since, from what one can see he published on his site, it is really still largely non-existent, just a front end without functionality. Hopefully it will develop eventually into a marketplace software. The ambition is certainly there.
The question will also be if you prefer a php/MySql based solution or an Asp/MsSql based one. The first one brings with it the culture of a lot of ‘amateur devloped’ inexpensive but unfinished solutions, which may be good for a startup but not for an established business seeking robustness and continuity. The Asp/MsSql is usually the latter and it usually has more resources committed to its maintenance and development, so it will end up ahead in the long term. Open source solutions rarely do. One exception to this my become Ruby-On-rails based sites. ROR seems to merge the strengths of each environment, resulting in a much faster ‘idea to market’ development trajectory at lower cost. The resources for using ROR are much better than php since Microsoft is actually actively supporting ROR. Examples of what excellent e-commerce stuff can happen with ROR are the Bonanzle marketplace and the online Shopify cart service.
One thing I missed in this whole thread (and saw as already available in Bonanzle and Shopify) is the natural need for marketplace owners to have some kind of API available that can be used for third parties to develop their own plug in for the site. It seems that an API is nowadays a MUST for any marketplace, so consider asking for it BEFORE buying. An API means that you benefit from other people’s resources in expanding your site. That is especially important when you are on a low budget.
Peter
.
Thanks for the valuable info Peter!
But let me rephrase the question,
Between Magneto,X-cart ,and Iscripts, which one of these programs would offer the closest Amazon.com or Buy.com experience ,for example, letting a third party sell on website ,buyer pay website owner, website owner pays third party seller. I hear alot of people use and like Magneto and x-cart, but Iscripts seems to be design to function like Amazon Marketplace, but it seem like people do not like Iscripts.
If anybody have use the products that is mention above , I would love feedback on them.
Thanks, Kenneth
Kenneth,
IScripts and X-Cart Pro definitely have all buyer payments go to the administrator, so he pays out teh sellers.
Magento is not clear about that, although you can read a possible reply here:
http://www.magentocommerce.com/boards/viewthread/48311/
In it they say that each individual site can have its own payment gateway.
By the way, PHPProBid (a combination of both stores and auctions, also has a strong set up foe each seller to have his own payments.
Peter
Thanks Peter!
Do you know as far as support, bug,stable,ect….., which one is better and so forth?
Thanks ,
Kenneth
Rich,
I see that your site mysellersmall.com/ offering mall software states that you have in portfolio as mall software client amongst others following clients:
hatethemall.com
sellerarena.com
When I go to those sites they state though that they are powered either by Simple Machines or by Legend FX.
That seems a contradiction to what you suggest, that the sites are powered by your software.
Please explain.
Peter
simple we do more then just work on malls….never said it was powered fully by us…we made the wholesale area on one and the other is a wordpress template we did and modified as well as modified the flash mall
Does not mean it is all mall related but commerce
Sellers arena may be powered by simple machines but we modified templates as well as site work……
Not everything on my site is related to all commerce
Rich,
If it is not ‘mall work’ (and that difference is not explicitly stated) those sites really do not belong on a ‘mall selling’ site.
That is misleading. An unaware buyer of your software will think that you did the entire site, especially since those sites are mall sites.
What ‘mall software buyers’ want to see there is your applied solutions as malls.
Peter
well some of those sites are not mall sites they are e commerce Peter so I am not advertising for those particular jobs so I fail to see what the big deal is. It is simply a portfolio so really why is it an issue?
It is not mis-leading
wow I tell you this thread really is hard on me so I am not sure I will be part of this anymore and just keep the updates and things to site and leave it at that.
Seems I am the only one here doing any thing similar to creating a solution for malls so I will have to think about my next posts here if any….
Thank you all for all your suggestions and comments as they are always valued even if it is posts against me I welcome all so either bookmark my site for updates or I may post again.
This is not easy programming work it is complex and I am sure you will find this is only taking time due to budget as well as simply put it is HARD.
Thanks All
Rick,
The truth is that those two sites I mentioned which you misleadingly advertise as your mall product portfolio, are e-commerce sites with multiple stores/sellers.
I was very supportive until now of your plans, but misleading is not the name of the game here, so no support from me anymore..
Your business depends on being truthful to your future customers, not try to oversell who you are or what you can.
And if you made an error in your presentations, then a correction would have been possible, but not now.
Good luck with trying to get away with half truths.
Peter
1st off peter I did not need your support and the fact that you say it is mis-leading is just plain stupid because this is my site so yes so what if it is for new clients?
What are you talking about anyways. What if anything are you doing about the malls?? giving advise to others? what exactly do you know about how to build these?
What you do the research and no development and you try to give advise to others when you don’t run a mall or even have one.
I am not sure if I should be upset about your post or just forget it
I made no errors at all no misleads nothing it is simply my site….SO WHAT
Truthful hmmmm what are you talking about dude????? do you even know?
Do you know what a portfolio is? Do you not see the homepage and what it says, we build to order so what?
I dont have your support…. what exactly kind of support were you giving me anyways?
Rick,
I haven’t been around much lately, mostly due to this fabulous recession and like everyone else I’m just trying to keep my head above water, but I felt I had to comment on this.
You have done an amazing job of taking an idea that I started talking about over two years ago and then bringing it to a reality, in various forms. I’ve also noticed you responding and advising a lot of folks via my website here and I’d hate to think that some offhand comments would ruin that for you.
Seriously dude. thanks for all the effort and contributions. I really wish I had more time to do what you’re doing now, but real life tends to get in the way of that. Keep the head up and go do what you do best. Don’t get all twisted all out of shape over some comments; it’s not worth it. Reading though it – I think it’s just a misunderstanding anyway, but don’t sweat it. Just keep doing what you’re doing:)
c0y0te
Well thanks
but it really is not the post it is the arrogance of the post it is just amazing to me that anyone can post this type of comment when i clearly did nothing to deserve it.
I dont see Peter doing anything and if he did, he would have to goto a programmer like me and or someone else and pay dearly for it.
There are malls and solutions out there for all who want it. The issue is not peters post it is come on and do something instead of bashing me for an external site….WTF
Oh well I guess maybe I am in a bad mood or maybe Peter is angry because there is no solution for him…..who knows
lesson 101 to fure buyers reviewing a developer’s stated portfolio on his web site. Always VERIFY!
It is a quite common for software sellers to take credit for more than actually was delivered to their customer. I would even contact each site and ask if they truly did business, because many software vendors just list sites they never worked on.
Peter go right ahead and verify…..please do
Would not be there otherwise so you seem to have a chip on your shoulder for some reason. So what your giving out advise now???
Not sure what your objective is here but you stated the obvious that yes there are alot of people taking credit for even templates etc…..so yes verify all you want
So what exactly do you do again??? and where is your site dont you have a mall I mean you have all this advise and all these nice things to say but really……what is your problem?
OMG you two WTF? Every time you toss out this dribble I get another email. Take a f**king pill…..please!
There is plenty of decaffinated brands out there that taste just as good as the real thing…..
You know it would just be a damn shame if you two stopped participating in this. We are really getting somewhere.
Maybe Im the only one that gets an email everytime someone posts on this thread – maybe not. I am gettin a lot out of it, but not when the two principal contributors start whittling on each other!
If Rick could spell as good as Peter, and Peter could program as well as Rick, we could all be snackin on bon bons in Tahiti.
“Mall Software!”
“Mall Software!”
“Mall Software!”
“cmon everybody with me one time”
“Mall Software!”
I’m getting emails too every time there is a fight. Don’t worry guys, better ideas are born out of conflicts all the time
“I just wanted to email you and give you a heads up that ILance now has the Stores add-on uploaded to the demo for testing of you wanted to check it out!
http://demo.ilance.com/stores
login: boss / boss
Example Store:
http://demo.ilance.com/stores/2/grandcentralrail-online
We are also offering a pre release purchase discount, you can save $50 off the Stores add-on if you are ready to move forward now, this is available until Nov 1/09. I look forward to your feedback”
You can contact Erin here https://www.ilance.com/contact
Erin is a very responsive guy and he will hear you, in fact, I asked him for the stores add-on and he did it.
What do you guys think about the stores add-on on ilance?
Hmmm…..Ilance, that seems to be another software offering that looks great on the surface (on their web site), but the vendor cannot produce any list of reference sites even when asked on the boards. In fact, instead I see largely disappointed Ilance buyers with negative reviews.
It looks like the only two trye seasoned provable marketplaces that are affordable are PHPProBid (pp base obviously, with many mods so 3rd parties developing) and RWAuction Pro (ASp based, now in its 7th generation, widely used)
I am not sure about the ilance either but has potential and i do agree with Peter on this one….
I still dont think auction software is the prefered choice unless you want this and should maybe be an option in backend to turn on and off this feature. the issues with probid is that it is kind of auction based stores while popular on ebay, it would take a bit to build the sellers confidence.
But I am not a big fan of auction systems anyways and this may make my judgment off. If you want to be an ebay then probid is a good choice as peter suggests
Rick
http://phpmalls.com/designer/
this new style is next and is simple and clean but effective so it is planning phase so I guess I am looking for the look I like as I have many but this seems to be the style in demand from alot of the requests I get.
So this is next for me….
Rick,
I have browsed this incredibly long forum, and it appears you are the primary one in development of an etsy/bigcartel/multi seller type shopping cart. Your latest link, phpmalls.com/designer looks great, and is what we are looking for and have basically not found it anywhere. Was curious how close to a public release of this you might be? I’m assuming you are developing this for public sale as there seems to be a high demand, is this going to be available anytime soon?
Let me know, am very interested in what you are working on.
Thanks,
Ashley
Ashley
email me direct admin@mysellerstores.com and i will give you production area
Hello Rick,
I’d also appreciate seeing your production area. I like what you’ve done.
When do you envision this will be available?
Look forward to hearing from you soon.
Andrea
andieboren75@yahoo.com
I have not visited here for many months and had been quietly building my clientel at Centre Stores. People came and people went, but I seemed to hover around 20 shops at any one time.
On the 21st October, my site was hit by a hacker using some sort of script which showed in the weblog as doorway_2009_10_21.zip
For more than a week I, and my web hosting company, tried everything possible to keep hackers out but I had become a target. I used a long, random character password on my cPanel, locked the site down at the front end by password protecting the public_html directory and changing the permissions on files that were affected to 444.
Within 24 hours the site was trashed again.
So centrestores.com is no more and I had to refund all the shop owners lease money. Thousands of manhours over the last year have been wasted both on my part and the shop owner’s part in building their shops.
Even though there is no longer any content on the site, the logs still show constant attack 24/7. Of course all they get now is a 404 message.
The moral of my post? It is not how good a multi vendor mall appears or works, but how secure it is from script injection or any hacking attempt.
I am not a programmer and nor will most webmasters be that set up a mall. Be very sure whatever script you decide to buy has documented hacking protection. What looks good at first may very well come unstuck 6 or 12 months down the track. Especially if you are doing well and upsetting local competition.
From an ex-maller,
Graham
http://createmymall.com
new beta mall released…..
comments and suggestions welcome but this is fully working email me for any questions admin@mysellerstores.com
This stuff is getting really cool! I like the direct checkout like bigcartel.com, buyers don’t have to create an account in the store in order to pay. That’s great!
The Intercom Group that publishes a magazine called Artesania y Estilo has created a free mall to anyone who desires to show their crafts. The mall is available in Portuguese and Spanish. Here are some pages:
Front Page: http://www.artesanum.com/
Directory: http://www.artesanum.com/directorio-a-1.html
In just a few weeks of operation it has a lot of users already.
But the system doesn’t offer any check out option. Buyers contact the store owner directly to buy and pay for the items.
http://www.mallproduction.com/mall_next
We made a new mall style using Ajax and other features for those that want an etsy style system…. this is due out in 1st week of December. We will host this version under your domain of choice but must be on our servers. price plan will be set at $30 a month and hosting plan will come with mall system pre-loaded. unlimited stores and items so I am sure those that want to try it out will be pretty happy.
We are putting final touches to this mall over next week or so and I will post when it is 100% Any suggestions or ideas…lets here it I am sure some of you have some nice things to say.
Mysellerstores.com is a big ripoff! They will steal your money and not provide anything, nothing , nada, zilch! I should have listen to the first person who complained about them, but I thought my experience would have been diffrent, but my experience was not different and neither will yours be! They stole almost $200 dollars from me and did not email me at all once they got my money, I emailed and emailed them but no answer. At the bottom of their site , it reads No Refunds, and they really mean it. I contact paypal about Richard Erving who is the owner of the site, http://www.mysellerstores.com and craftstorez.com Paypal stated I was the winner of the dispute but Mr. Erving had taken all of his money out of his account so therefore its a possibility I might now get a refund, its been two weeks and I have not gotten a refund yet! I would have been okay if Richard Erving at http://www.mysellerstores.com would have sent me something, but they sent nothing, nothing at all! He currently use the name mysellerstores.com or craftstorez.com as paypal payment. Do not send Richard Erving , mysellerstores.com or craftstorez.com your money, you will loose and thats a promise!
Word to the wise, anytime an electronic product is not downloadable on the website you are buying from Run as fast as you can!
Evago
LA, California
U.S.A.
After reviewing Mr. Erving’s site(s) it appears that they are NOTHING but FLUFF and a total FACADE presented to tender some more innocent cash as was lost by the previous blogger (Evago). Poor SAP, but one must be constantly aware that there are ERVINGS around every corner………… CAVEAT EMPTOR
International Investigative Systems and Evago you are the same and already posted this in 08 is there a reason for post….
wow……There really are some haters …..folks these people were clearly the same….and really have problems trying to hurt me….
if you dont believe me goto http://www.rippoffreports.com I mean really…..please and seems another post yet……..anyways
By the way….if i was worried about these posts…… I would change name and sites and be out of view…….if I was this person someone said I was……..Its ok opinions are all ok as if you read this thread it is clear that this fight goes way back over a year…….
Anyone can post bad things and this hater is clearly upset…… if they post without real names and anonymous what does that say……they are cowards
As any self respecting S/W Dev. will tell you, it doesn’t take years to produce a FACADE such as those displayed on Mr. Ervings site(s). Just to let those innocent people out there know….. Our Dev. Dpt. reports they could have a similar (albeit far and away better) site up and running in Approx. 27.5 minutes. Then we too could claim to have MASTERED the solution to the elusive E-Commerce question. Oh, but Mr. Erving you ahve missed the whole point. IT’S OPEN SOURCE they are looking for my fiend, not to invest in a few sceenshots of a shell of a system which seemingly has gone nowhere since the inception of this blog.
(Things that make you go HMMMM)
Have a good day.
Oh, and by the indication of the reaction in your second post it appears you may be suffering from serious guilt riddled sleeplessness and anxiety. Our suggestion to would be to chant and or meditate. Although it may help reduce the guilt, we all know there is only one thing which will truly remove it, and that is probitas (and no that is not a product of any laboratory, nor a pill you can take).
Hope you have a wonderful day, and the last comment here is that there are no haters…. my dear Sir. But when one has an opinion, and crying “hater” “hater” is all that can be returned as a retort then it is self evident where the problem resides.
Enough said, let the readers be the judge.
Have another good day.
???????????
Well thanks for your thoughts…. they are always welcome and since your not even a company and just clearly same person that posts anonymous we can all just relax…I have no wish to comment further.
I suffer from nothing my friend……
International Investigative Systems (Guru)
Another note as I feel it is necessary to mention about open source and yes I am ware of this and the time it sometimes takes to make these carts. But I dont see anyone else going through the expense for creating a solution other then a couple people here.
So maybe if some would invest a little time and money to make it real as I am…..then I would have created sooner however. There is not one person here who pitched in for any development including you.
You can sit here and degrade me and say things as this is ok but unless you can come up with anything constructive instead of bringing up insults when you dont do anything yourself to make one.
Yes open source idea is great but where are the multivendor versions that the buyer gets paid direct from seller…..
Sure we can all go through elance and have one made but seems that everyone is looking for free software that while it will come soon from these open soruce carts….is expensive to make.
Anyway, I can sit here and make comments on your posts and you can insult production areas if you want to…I make no claims to the negative and there are some that paid for a mall and simply we took to long to respond but it is me and a few guys and you say it does not take this long then please show us your work and leave a real URL instead of posting this kind of insulting words towards me.
Seems I am a target and this is ok…..I welcome all posts and I welcome good and bad so again thanks for your post
It’s been a while since I’ve posted here.
I’ve been following this thread since I found it on Oct 2008 while researching multi-vendor store options. I decided to contact Rick Erving privately last week to discuss setting up a mall for one of my sites and we have been in communication since.
I am not a newbie to doing business online and have learned to take my time planning and researching business solutions and to ask all the questions that need to be asked before buying anything.
As far as my personal experience of dealing with Rick is concerned, the negative and malicious posts that I’ve read here are unfounded. Rick is proving himself to be a sincere and genuine person who is not only willing to listen to all of my concerns and respond to all my questions, he is also prepared to bend backwards in order to make sure that I end up getting the right solution.
I just thought I’d share my personal experience, as I know that there are many other people looking for an affordable way to set up and run their own mall offerings and we need to support, encourage – and even protect – those who are willing to take the initiative and invest their own time and money into actually creating the things we wish for.
You asked for it you got it….
a multi store system with full featured shops so now you can rent out the shops on your domain and have the ability to collect rents. http://multishopcms.com go ahead and test. You will see alot of features for seller as well as admin. Full block controls etc…built in cms etc….
Have a look
I want to let folks know the experience I am having with Richard Erving–PhpMyMall, Craftz Stores, multishop cms, mysellerstores, lulu warehouse and the list goes on and on of the names he uses.
Here is my story and buyer beware!!
I got with Mr. Erving in April of last year to have him make me a mall to be integrated into my SMF site. Well the cost to me –Hold on–$800. To be completed in 5 weeks and yes I have proof of everything I say and will send to anyone that wants to see it.
I paid Mr Erving his money and wanted to add a very simple showcase on the home page of my site to have events for the new mall I was Supposed to get. I was told in May that my mall would be done in a couple of days and he wanted the additional $200 for the event showcase. I paid and guess what—-No completed Mall. After repeated phone conversations and heated discussions with this man over this mall he admitted on my forum to all members in August!! He could not do this mall for my site. So my 5 week mall is now 4 months later and no mall and out $1000.
So Mr. Erving said I will offer you this new mall. His Etsy mall. I was not happy about getting a spinoff that looked like Etsy and told him so that I did not want any resembliance to Etsy. This mall was supposed to be done in a month. In October I finally asked for my money back for no mall. Forgot to mention he was only showing me web slices of this supposed new mall and it was never the same . And it was only slices. Anyone can show a web slice. There was never any mall for this on my site at all. Now I see he sells this mall for $149 but my cost was still $1200
I have had battles with this man on the phone, He has been nice and then turns on you in a second if you say he is doing something wrong. Now make him mad enough and he will not answer you back at all. He has his daughter tell you he is not home when you can hear him in the background, He does not answer any e-mails no matter how nice or mad you post at him, He will not return your calls. Now I am not talking a few days I am talking weeks.You as the customer goes right out the window if he gets upset because you do not agree with what he is doing.
His one excuse was he was not answering my long drawn out e-mails to him. Another excuse he always used was his yahoo was down. Hmmmmm but he later answered me quoting my yahoo messages to him. So he really was getting them. Well hello you have my money—It was supposed to take 5 weeks and now it is 6 months later-Upset –You Bet. It was always one excuse after another from him.Worst part is he was posting to my members on my site of all the things he was doing and really he in the background was avoiding me and not doing anything at all.
All I ever heard from this man was money. He has $2000 in my mall, then a day or 2 later then it went up to $7500, then a few days later it was $4500. It was always a different amount he said he had invested. Then I heard all about how he had to pay USPS all this money for the USPS API. Well it was no charge to me, he was paying for this he said so he could be able to use it on other web sites. But I always had this cost thrown in my face. But never saw the mall with this even added. I think that was around the time he decided he couldn’t build me a mall.
Also during this I got a Social Network script from him. It was only supposed to cost me $200 but he tried to get $400, then he told me I could have it. Reason for being it was taking so long to produce a mall. I was also promised an additional mall free of charge for all of the mess he caused. Never received anything!! Nada Nothing!!
The Social network he was offering was not even completed and when you ask him it is always a few days or next week.
So He finally on 10/12/09 agreed to refund my money within 30 days. This is a $1200 refund. I had to pay right away he gets to keep my money for 6 months and then wants 30 more days. Come on now!!!
He finally sends me a payment thru Paypal for $200 in October and writes on the receipt. Balance due (To Me) $1000.
To date I have not received my $1000 at all and I have no mall or anything to show for it. I just want my hard earned money back and go about my business and get far away from this man and the mess he created.
You cannot tell folks you can make custom malls, decide it is not feesible, offer them something else and never produce. I am out $1000 and had to get a new mall. Which Mr.Erving has sent me e-mails on commenting on what I chose to go with. He still continued to send me e-mails which I have and even went as far as to address one e-mail to me “to all the ignorant people”
This is all fact and I can prove every e-mail he has sent to me, every payment that was made, the e-mails where he states he will refund me and the paypal receipt where he says he still owes me $1000 and all of my forum posts he made stating he could not do the mall
So buyer beware. He also did this to a friend of mine and she did get her $100 refund I believe it was 4 or 5 months later for her.
This man says he doesn’t care if I take him to court as Big deal so he gets a judgement. He is not afraid of the Attorney General or BBB. He has no respect for any of this as it clearly shows by his comments in my e-mails.
This man is taking peoples money and not giving anything in return and will not refund. Yes you have to sign a contract that states No Refunds. But you have to have a working product for that to be inforceable and that is not the case here.
I know he will be bashing me and that is okay as I am telling the truth and my information and proof will be told to everyone who will listen. Folks like this should not be allowed to get away with this. That is why I will pursue this matter legally with law enforcement agencies, the court system and anywhere else I can think of.
The decent thing to do is pay me my money and let me get on with my life. I don’t know about others but $1000 is alot of money to me.
Do a web search on this man and read the reports filed on him. Mr.Erving you should be ashamed of yourself for taking from poor innocent folks. I will not stop pursuing this matter until I have my money back where it belongs.
1st off this lady is a total spaz, we did work and I am the one who called off project and am in process of refunding her……other then that I dont really care cause she is really really not a nice person……so we called off project
thats all I have to say about this…. yes we are slow and all things aside she has only one side here so if anyone wants to here mine email me and we will be happy to forward all conversations….
Kathy,
Sorry you got cheated out of your money.
I was already getting more concerned about this Mr. Erving’s assertions he can deliver an actual mall.
He never kept the delivery schedule he posted on ths blog each time and recently he suddenly popped up offering me the mall for free!
The other day his site was totally unavailable (seems he closed it down).
My own judgment from what I saw in his sample urls was that there is no such application, but that it is simply a fancy empty front end with no back end to truly function.
Any other mall developer has an full back end available, with admin trial privileges.
Ever asked who the ‘we’ is he is talking about? His ‘fast moving’ sites never mentioned the background (names, resumes) of his socalled partner developers.
Buyer beware indeed.
A PS:
This avalon blog has a Trojan virus running each time I access it. BEWARE!
Parnassus
first off dude my sites are production areas not sites for anyone other then me……you obviously have not looked hard enough to see site. I simply register a new domain with every mall I have…..
also not one person here on this thread has paid anything to help develop and that includes you Parnassus. So unless you show me what you have built or really keep your thoughts to self.
I dont think anyone gets it yet. I am the only one here in this thread who has a mall that was built from scratch for both etsy style as well as multi store. Not one of you have came up with a solution the entire thread here..
So if you post negative comments here I dont really care…….cause bottom line is you still dont have a mall and I do…..
Some will say at others expense, OK that’s fine……I admit that but Kathy from that crappy sellersarena.com auction site or whatever she wants to call it the so called marketplace she has and the few people who said bad things were all refunded and or taken care of, they are just to pissed to comeback and make a comment about it.
Yes slow but I am only a few people and some production is slow but oh well at least I am doing something….anyone else
Mr. Erving,
I have proof in e-mails that I clearly called off this project. Was I and am I upset–You bet and I have a good reason to be sir. By the way — Why am I not surprised you would say such a thing about my forum!!
Bottom line is Mr.Erving:
I was told by you Mr.Erving that I would get a full refund in Oct/09 of my $1200. Then you paid thru Paypal $200 and wrote on the Paypal payment balance due me $1000. Then no other payment came.
Then In January after over 80 e-mails from 1/22-2/7 and some not so nice from you Mr.Erving, You, Mr.Erving continue to state I will get a refund. I even made an agreement for you Mr.Erving to sign and return to me, which had your wanted payment terms, which you agreed to do if I sent it to you in PDF. I did. 3 days in a row you stated you were signing it and sending it that day. You now refuse to sign the agreement . That in itself is strange.
If you plan on being a man of your word and honor, and pay as agreed then why would you have a problem signing an agreement to refund? So far I received an additional $100 2/2 and am still owed a balance of $900.
So Mr.Erving say what you will, you have agreed to refund me the now $900 due me and it would be nice to get it so I can be done with this disaster and never have to be bothered with you again.
I agree to the people recommending Magento which you can fins at http://www.magentocommerce.com
I have found it as the best modern e-commerce open source solution for any kind of online stores and shops. It needs more resources but the moder look and feel with the functionality is very important and I personally prefer to start with the solution which has a potential rather to think allways about replacement and upgrade.
Wow. This Blog is truly a gold mine. I will actually try these tips and let you know how they work out! Thanks again mate.
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I am just new to your blog and just spent about 1 hour and 30 minutes lurking and reading. I think I will frequent your blog from now on after going through some of your posts. I will definitely learn a lot from them. Regards – Gerry
I’m wondering if there is anything out there now that you would consider?
Yes, there is Magento now and it is multi-store / marketplace ready.
Don’t waste your time on reinventing the wheel. Magento is way ahead and free and it also already has tons of extensions by 3rd parties.
Hi,
have you tried Open Cart?
It seems to have multi-store support:
http://www.opencart.com/index.php?route=feature/feature&path=4
I never used it, anyone here had used this solution?
Regards
OpenCart is getting very close to what we need. You can create stores in subdomains but they are not independent yet. It’s kind of a shared thing. Just take a look at http://www.lot.my and see what they did: one opencart installation and multiple independent stores on subdomains. But to do that a customization is necessary which they didn’t share, you can try contacting them
Also fido-x is developing such an extension for a client that would enable us to replicate http://www.lot.my configuration. Since the module is being sponsored by a client he says it might not be for sale, or it will be expensive. Full details here: http://forum.opencart.com/viewtopic.php?t=16113 Check the demos on the links provided. I personally liked a lot!
Talk to fido-x and show your interest, we might get this module for a better price if there are many people interested. If this module works perfectly with opencart I believe we can put a period on this discussion, that’s all we need.
I also came accross gostores from scripts, which is supposed to work like bigcartel: http://www.iscripts.com/gostores/demo.php
One more – from germany: HHG Multistore – http://www.hhg-multistore.com
This one talks a lot about multi store capabilities but there was no way I could install it on my server, if anyone succeeds installing this script please share how you did.
http://createmymall.com —Using opencart and auto store generation as well as accounting in admin. set store prices and free mode.
I am working on this so if anyone wants to further development on this contact me I am willing to take a list of those who are willing to help get this system done. I dont have alot of time but as you can see the open cart store maker and vendor products we got to display on front end.
Yes I will give this system for free but offer no support other then my notes and methods
@Ricardo
You can get your download with an order in our store at
http://shop.hhg-multistore.com/
This one is without any fee:
http://shop.hhg-multistore.com/product_info.php?info=p6_hhg_multistore_ce.html
@Rick
I’m glad to see you’re now working on OpenCart at http://createmymall.com
Look, there are several people looking for a module that will enable them to create stores in the same way as http://www.lot.my. If you can create such module you will help many people and I’m sure you will make good money, since everybody is willing to pay for the right module. But people want to see it working before they invest any money. So if you have the knowledge to create the right product, please go ahead.
http://hostamall.com already in process
I am also working on integrated marketplace here: http://hostamall.com/design and other designs coming soon, this is now div based instead of table design
Hostamall is very nice, it looks like http://www.lot.my. That will be an awesome option when it’s ready.
In the mean time I’m trying HHG multi store, thanks Hasan for the right link. I think I downloaded the wrong package at first.
@Ricardo
It could be the APS package, that one is for Plesk and other Server Control Panels.
@admin
Could you check you website, i get an Trojan warning on site entry with MS Essentials:
Trojan:JS/Gamburl.E
How do you know it is good!Can you tell me more about it?
Hasan, I’m still unable to install HHG multistore. I’ll post details on your forum.
@Ricardo
You’ll get support in our forum
Would like input to further develop this http://emall.rentmymall.com
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OpenCart is one of the best shopping carts available and a firm called kodeplay, headed by Karan Ahuja, is developing a system of multi vendor stores powered by opencart. Karan seems to be a brilliant developer that REALLY turns ideas into reality. All those interested please visit http://www.kodeplay.com for more details and demos.
Youre so cool! I dont think Ive read anything like this before. So good to find somebody with some original thoughts on this subject. Thanks for starting this up. This blog is something that is needed on the web, someone with a little originality. Good job for bringing something new to the internet!
Hello Group ,
we have just launched a product to work as an online shopping mall or a multistore online marketplace .
please have a look at :
http://www.kodemall.com
Thanks and regards ,
Karan Ahuja
http://www.kodeplay.com
http://www.kodemall.com
So guys what was the conclusion: what is the best way to create a esty style marketplace website.
I am looking to create a marketplace cart website. where users are able to sell their products, just like on Esty, Amazon or eBay. But unlike eBay, it is not an auction.
Sellers can open an account and place their item for sale and once the itme is sold the site can generate an email to buyer and the seller directly. (can discuss further)
Also would like to have a function to hold the payment for certain days and automatically release the funds after set days.
I have seen ESTY.com and it looks quite good, maybe i can have a clone site but need some extra functions.
Looking forward to hear from you all.
http://shopenv.com and http://shopenv.net
One is store system meets marketplace and other is a marketplace creator and rent system.
http://emall.rentmymall.com/
Free copy to those who want it. it is developers copy but needs some minor work. I am willing to give anyone who wants it a copy as long as they share developed changes. it is on the honor system so email me admin@rentmymall.com
RUN YOUR OWN MARKETPLACE:
We have made it remarkably simple for people to monetize their brands by building and operating their OWN niche marketplaces. It’s a game changer. Want to setup a marketplace and fill it with vendors that only sell stuff for pets? Now you can since all of you asked in this etsy style store generation system. Ask me for details and demos are at request only.
By the way the new system uses paypalx adaptive payments. this means buyers can buy from multiple sellers and have single checkout. no longer do you have to go back to cart to pay vendors separate.
I had a site created similar to an etsy style site. You can view it here:
http://bit.ly/ifcrHR
I’ve been testing to make sure everything works correctly and about to go live. I do have 2 other versions of this with different designs. Currently I have it geared towards art/photography but you could certainly configure it anyway you want.
If interested, I may be willing to sell the script. No it won’t be outrageous price either. Drop me an email if interested.
An email would help. Send inquiries here:
jwitmeyer AT gmail DOT com
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After reading all the comments, and referances, all i have to say is i have had a multi shopping protal with stores, classifieds, and lota of other googies for the last 5 years and ive never done anything with it.
So check it out, ive uploaded it onto a new domain name, it has had $5000 worth of customization done for the shopping cart to enable instant buy nows.
You could create a mega mall, market place and more.
Check it out, its for sale, ill take offers, will sell more than one script but ill keep it limited.
This url has a store demo the previous one is stores turned off.
Cheers
I have this multi-seller store script – but its only uses paypal IPN for digital products. It comes with full source codes. Its Called Sell Download Script.
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We have launched a new product actually its a shopping cart software named as Bit-cart can you please review it as well.
Shopping cart script in PHP and mysql, a good one at shoppingcartphpscript.com. Can have a look at this.
OpenCart is one of the best shopping carts available and a firm called kodeplay, headed by Karan Ahuja, is developing a system of multi vendor stores powered by opencart. Karan seems to be a brilliant developer that REALLY turns ideas into reality. All those interested please visit http://www.ToyTreats.com for an example of a kids toy store.
For online business i guess the paid shopping carts software are best option.
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